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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Compare this crash to the Emirates crash in Dubai (EK 521, 2016). In the Emirates incident, the passengers stalled the evacuation in order to grab their carry-ons. Many were seen on the tarmac dragging roll-aboards. Here the passengers chose life over property and efficiently evacuated the aircraft.

All people on board survived that crash as well.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#552

too many aircraft accidents these days what's the root cause

There are fewer and fewer accidents per passenger-mile every year (allowing for some noise because they are rare events) You're just hearing about it more because there are more planes than ever before, and more media exposure than ever before.

Unfortunately this year is well on track to be a significant increase in the casualty rate from commercial aviation even if nothing happens for the next ten months. While a lot of progress has certainly been made it is concerning that the trend is moving in the wrong direction.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Clear view from the plane waiting to take off https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/1isabt... Which also brings into mind cockpit distractions but its amazing they caught this on video.

I wonder why were they filming? Was there an early warning? Was it a sketchy landing in any case? I mean aircraft are fascinating and people film them all the time but wouldn’t expect a pilot sitting in another one to casually film landings. Maybe just an extremely lucky catch.

Extremely lucky, probably not. More in the sense "under different circumstances, this would have gone into the folder Uninteresting Landings, never to be viewed again." Ubiquitous smartphones mean petabytes upon petabytes of boring photos and videos - the "unusual" part is just in the event itself.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#554
post #436

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In general the airlines just ask you to leave your luggage. If they were legally obliged to replace all your items, they would inform you of such. On international flights, an airline is liable for up to $1700 per the Montreal Convention. This might cover say half of one's laptop, which no matter how stupid it sounds, makes taking your luggage with you the only financially sensible choice in a crash (unless you have…

> This might cover say half of one's laptop, which no matter how stupid it sounds, makes taking your luggage with you the only financially sensible choice in a crash (unless you have insurance). If there's no smoke, no visible flames, and you can do so safely without obstructing other passengers' egress? I can see the argument, sure. Obviously if the cabin is filling with smoke or there are visible flames or other ob…

> If there's no smoke, no visible flames, and you can do so safely without obstructing other passengers' egress? I can see the argument, sure.

While there are no smoke/flames now or initially, that doesn't mean they won't appear "soon": planes have been completely engulfed with-in 90 seconds.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#555

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Just to understand: Did it roll upside down, with people’s head at the bottom, or sideways, with people’s back to the front of the direction?

What you describe in the second sentence - rotating around the vertical-axis - is typically termed a spin . I think parent was saying the roll was along the planes' length rather than tail-over-nose, the latter usually result in the aircraft breaking up as the torque will be really high.

Rotation around the

- longitudinal axis: roll, controlled by ailerons.

- vertical axis: yaw, controlled by rudder.

- lateral axis (through the wings): pitch, controlled by elevators.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#556
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I stitched together a small audio clip from LiveATC with both the Ground and Tower frequencies mapped to the Left and Right audio channels. It starts around the time the aircraft was cleared to land, and then skips forward to the moment the controllers realized the aircraft crashed. Here is a link to the .mp3 file (it's on Discord for now - I don't know if this is allowed, let me know if it isn't): https://cdn.discor…

It's wild how calm and matter-of-fact he sounds when he says, "This airplane just crashed." I suppose that's the job though!

Listening to an ATC recording of a major accident is always a masterclass in focus and stoicism. Those folks are heroes.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#557
post #356

The consensus on r/aviation seems to be that it was caused by wind shear. > This looks like wind shear to me. It was a stable approach and then it suddenly got slammed into the ground. That doesn't look like pilot-induced change in descent rate, it is too sudden for that. A sudden change in wind direction (shear) when that slow can absolutely cause a sudden loss of lift. > We have had almost 2 feet of snow up here si…

I live nearby the airport and can attest to just how intense the wind was yesterday. I think the idea of a gust makes more sense though, as planes are certainly designed and operated to handle strong winds.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#558
post #471

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Probably just because pilots generally think planes are cool, especially when landing, and there's not much else to do while waiting in line but film them.

... after they've completed all their checklists and are ready for takeoff, of course.

As a former aviator, the joke in the business is that a career in aviation is largely stupefying boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#559
post #402

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Footage from inside the plane of a flight attendant clearing passengers. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/...

Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

I wouldn't have enough context to be mad. That sounds stressful and unhealthy.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

#560

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Don’t they actually get a heavy sanction? If not, maybe they should. I can imagine people with a suitcase getting prison time.

I think you should acknowledge that you and the person above are reading this sitting in a comfortable chair (or on the toilet), with little stress, good time to think, and the magic power of hindsight. People just having been in a crash, however, are in a different situation. They've just been thrown upside down, having to release their seat buckles and fall down onto the roof, then being ushered out in panic. Them…

The way we increase the chances that everybody reading this will behave appropriately if they're ever in this situation is by strongly condemning those who did not.
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