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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by demosthanos »

jillyboel wrote: post #536
dang wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> As some of you know, this article was posted a dozen times and immediately flagkilled by users That's because HN appears to be disturbingly pro-trump and they seem to organize to flagkill anything "negative". You really should look into organized flagkilling.

Why would it have to be organized flagkilling? A combination of a sizeable pro-Trump faction (even 20% of users would be more than enough) and a sizeable "just keep US politics off the front page" faction would be more than enough to account for what you're seeing.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by bamboozled »

palata wrote: post #397
swat535 wrote: post #356

I am wondering what will happen at the end of all of this? I see a few possibilities here: 1. Either this project will be a tremendous success for the American people, saving millions and uncovering massive fraud and waste in the government thanks to the audits 2. It will ab a complete failure, nothing of value will get discovered, published and time and money will be wasted for everyone involved (giving the DNC a hu…

You seem pretty optimistic. A plausible alternative is that it really ends up hurting the US. In some way, it has started hurting the US. Ask anyone in the world who is not a US citizen if they think the US is stable. I think the answer has changed a lot in, say, the last 10 years.

It changed for me Jan 20 this year. I had suspicions before that.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by lightbendover »

lmm wrote: post #522
derbOac wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. They see the task as infiltrating an adversary, requiring someone with the technical skills to do so but who is also disposable. This in their mind is not about improving anything in the government for citizens, or with regard to US interests, it's about gaining access to a hostile entity without regard to their interes…

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You do not know with any degree of certainty what their motivations are. In fact, the utter disdain they demonstrate for certain US citizens dismantles your entire claim.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by macintux »

bamboozled wrote: post #549
picafrost wrote: post #170

I recall an aphorism that government is self-governed 90% by norms and 10% by law. I don’t know if American law is being violated but certainly it is alarming to observe from the outside when the norms are totally disregarded. The US looks unstable and untrustworthy.

What makes me sick is how the word "fraud" is being abused now too. Like those in power in the US are redefining it to mean "things I don't like". It's very dangerous. It's incredibly Orwellian.

“Fake news” was deftly repurposed from “whatever crock of lies Trump spouted today” to “unflattering news about Trump”. Whatever his other flaws, the president is a master at demagoguery.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by Liftyee »

dang wrote: post #684
dang wrote: post #37

All: if you're going to comment here, please make sure you're up on the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html , and don't post low-information / high-indignation comments that could just as easily appear in any related thread. Such generic comments make discussion less interesting and more activating. That's not what we're trying for here. Rather, we want curious conversation. I know that's n…

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Genuine question - What's the meaning of "activating" as an opposite to "interesting" in this context? I've never heard it used like this and couldn't get good results from searching.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by armchairhacker »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #510

I find it shockingly absurd how the All-In podcast hosts blindly support everything one of their own does. It’s obvious they treat Musk like a god. In the latest episode, they even made fun of concerns about privacy, claiming that all people care about is the state not wasting money. - completely dismissing worries about data exposure.

Elon Musk is the #1 richest man in the world, out of >7 billion. Everyone knows who he is.

Celebrities to him are almost what commoners are to rich people. Joe Rogan, the biggest podcaster, has Wealth, attention, and power influence people. If you had more of them, or a solid chance at more, you'd be influenced too.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by alsoforgotmypwd »

While curious, intelligent young people are still self-assembling in small groups, I'd hope they'd be more shmoo group, l0pht/cDc, or w00w00 than 4chan. Maybe they are and we're just hearing about this one because they're thrown into the political frying pan.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by foxylad »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #385
9283409232 wrote: post #106

The question no one asking is why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

> The question no one asking is why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending? If it's working, why would it matter? The most curious thing in all these discussions is that the elephant in the room is never addressed: they already found on hundreds of billions of pure fraud and funding for extremely dubious endeavors. But nobody t…

Your list of "already uncovered" fraud seems more like a list of RW hot-buttons: Clintons - check. Transgender - check. Various lame-stream media - check. Covid bats - check. Muslims - check. Incest movies - check. I'm just surprised they haven't turned up the payments for the NASA movie studio where they faked the moon landings.

But not a single administrator skimming off their department's budgets, which I would imagine is 90% of government fraud.

Also no-one is shooting the messenger. Mainly they are complaining that completely unauthorised people are rooting through all government data with no oversight. No matter what your politics, the president should have got these people vetted and followed the carefully designed processes to keep this data safe. If you're not seriously concerned that one day your tax info is going to turn up in an unsecured AWS bucket, then I can offer you a unique video of out-takes of Neil Armstrong falling off the LEM ladder for just $5,000.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by gyudin »

BryantD wrote: post #468
culi wrote: post #454

> the DOGE teen is a former denizen of ‘The Com,’ an archipelago of Discord and Telegram chat channels that function as a kind of distributed cybercriminal social network for facilitating instant collaboration To be honest, this is my first time hearing about The Com. Does anyone have any more reading on this? You'd think they'd use something more secure than Discord (which has 0 encryption) and Telegram which doesn'…

I recommend Marc-André Argentino's research on the Com; he's a conspiracy researcher who got his PhD on QAnon. He leans left, if that's a factor for you. His general overview: https://www.maargentino.com/the-pillars-of-the-com-network/ That piece doesn't get specific at all about Com activities but be aware that some of the manifestos and other material he discusses is quite disturbing.

He cites same journalist Krebs that has no cybersecurity background. Even Marc-André Argentino himself is a master of arts in theology and not a real cybersecurity specialist.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Post by reaperman »

Liftyee wrote: post #555
dang wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent all day responding to the replies here, and then detaching them in order to save space at the top of the thread. But I just had a better idea. This is a stub comment so we have a single root to collapse the replies. This way (1) replies can stay close to their parent (the top comment) without flooding the screen with offtopicness; and (2) we can all re-experience the timeless truth of https://en.wikipedia.org…

Genuine question - What's the meaning of "activating" as an opposite to "interesting" in this context? I've never heard it used like this and couldn't get good results from searching.

In this context, "activating" is speech which elicits gut-reaction. Whereas "interesting" is speech which stimulates thoughtfulness.
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