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Post by ozmodiar »

joshdavham wrote: post #313
grecy wrote: post #111

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What makes you think that? They don’t seem very similar to me aside from sharing the broad label of ‘conservative’.

To try to expand on this in a constructive way, I think the similarities are that they both pretend to be outsiders while being very connected and powerful and have a worrying amount of disrespectful and vindictive rhetoric and a refusal to engage with the media/intentionally egging on of rage towards the media. That's kind of where it ends though, since I don't think Poilievre has Trump's trademark complete lack of self awareness (I'm not trying to be insulting here, I think it gets him pretty far honestly and has lead to some of his funnier tweets, though I'm not a fan.).

Poilievre seems more like a traditional politician trying to ride the populist right wing train, and he's far less charismatic than Trump. Conservatives I know aren't crazy about him, if he weren't up against the even more unpopular Trudeau during the post covid global incumbent purge going on I don't think the election would be nearly as favorable. I am worried, but mostly due to the general state of the world.

Also Canada gets most of its media from the states, so right wing Canadians talk like right wing Americans with most of the same talking points. I think they'll always look similar and I can't necessarily blame Poilievre for that even if it does annoy me and he definitely intentionally rides it. It's certainly not going to end with him, and the Libs also like to pretend to be Democrats when it suits them.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by hn-acct »

bawolff wrote: post #377
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

People on hn seem weirdly obsessed with trudeau's handling of the trucker protest. Regardless of what you think of it, at this point it is very old news and trudeau's actions were controversial but largely popular. The handling of the trucker protest is not why he resigned. It is not why he is unpopular.

I live and work with mostly conservatives and none of them supported the truckers nor do they even mention it. Their grievances are more typical - inflation, taxes, and immigration.

I think we need to be careful when reading these opinions to not mix up Americans’ views, Russian trolls with legitimate Canadian discourse.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by wg0 »

amarka wrote: post #547
dfdx wrote: post #526

A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

I can’t believe Justin Trudeau would lowball your friend like that.

ROLF

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by graeme »

swat535 wrote: post #293
throw0101d wrote: post #196

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> […] ought to go through the laws and court system. The Emergencies Act is part of the laws of Canada: * https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act And there were court orders: * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 * 2022 ONSC 1001: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2022/2022onsc1001/2022... ; https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/doc…

And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.

iirc the finding was that it was within the power of the province to handle the situation.

The thing is, the province wasn't using the powers it had to handle it. The situation was obviously an emergency. You can't just let a convoy of heavy vehicles occupy your national capital indefinitely and say "not a problem, the provincial govt could theoretically handle this"

I'm not sure the Quebec kidnappings would have met the threshold either. There's a strong argument to be made that the law around the emergencies act is a bad law.

The court's finding meant ANY emergency powers would have failed to meet the standard.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by s1artibartfast »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #380
rand_r wrote: post #363

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I don’t know why they couldn’t do the friggen obvious move of asking the police to unblock the roads by force, and impounding the vehicles for repeat offences. Going after bank accounts was a coward move that never made sense. If I just sat down in the middle of a subway tunnel, I would be removed by force immediately, no matter what I was protesting. They created problems for themselves by not doing the obvious solu…

The city or the province could have done that. They didn't. The Feds could only use federal reasons. The mishandled response to the trucker protest should be blamed on the city and the province, not on Trudeau.

There is room for two failures. The province should have enforced the provincial law, and the feds should not have have taken action through the banking sector.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by leptons »

BeefWellington wrote: post #529
leptons wrote: post #364

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How bad were the covid restrictions in Canada that the truckers were complaining about in 2022? By 2022 most of the world had gone back to normal business-as-usual. Why were they even protesting? As an outsider looking in, it seemed like a mix of ignorance, propaganda, and stupidity made them do it.

This isn't true. At the time the US required proof of vaccination at the border too: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-vaccine-mandate-frei... This was implemented in October 2021 and wasn't removed AFAIK until May of 2023: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

How are Canadians occupying Canadian cities supposed to lift US restrictions? They can't, that's how. Again, it's stupidity, ignorance, and probably some propaganda/misinformation that spurred them on.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by SpecialistK »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #519
SpecialistK wrote: post #504

So it's all going down now eh? For those not on the pulse of CdnPoli, this is a primer I wrote a few weeks ago but is still widely relevant: What we've been watching for the last 18 months has been the slow collapse of the governing Liberal Party, led by Justin Trudeau (LPC) - Polling and projections have been turning heavily against the LPC since last summer (2023), and the internal party cracks started showing afte…

> When Parliament returns in March with a new Liberal Party leader Trudeau will ask for, and likely get, a prorogation to give them time to choose a new leader. Add the 51 days for the election and it's likely to be a fall election.

He's already got prorogation, and that's why I said March and not end of this month.

> Trudeau said Gov. Gen. Mary Simon granted the request to prorogue Parliament until March 24.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/prorogue-parliament-canada-...

After the end of March, no budget or supply has passed the HoC, hence that date.

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Post by hn-acct »

nostromo wrote: post #457
avgDev wrote: post #384

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I feel like this site has a bit of a bias when it comes to the USA. Most devs are highly compensated in the USA and can afford whatever. Being poor or sick sucks here.

Most of Canada is pretty poor now. From the Economist: https://archive.is/UdixF/ec46ebf7fe812cd5e9432f45f68bd142e6c... Their housing is more expensive than the US, but taxes are higher and wages are lower. If Canada’s provinces were states, the populated ones would be poorer than the poorest US states, along with higher taxes and expensive housing. https://brilliantmaps.com/us-vs-canada-gdp-per-capita/ British Columb…

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Post by dfxm12 »

reverendsteveii wrote: post #539

Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnera…

The machine isn't against the incumbent, it wants to move things to the right. This is why Obama gets mainstream media outrage for superficial things like wearing a tan suit. Also it is why Biden (correctly) got a lot of negative coverage for being too old to serve but people like Trump or Kay Ivey relatively get a pass.

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Post by [deleted] »

dfdx wrote: post #526

A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

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