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I automated my job application process

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Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by hb-robo »

DavidDodda wrote: post #75
codegeek wrote: post #21

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Depends. As a Hiring Manager, I love cover letters but only if it is not a generic copy paste. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind a Cover letter that may have some generic stuff about you but you must add something specific about the role/company that you are applying for and why you will be a good fit. This will get you miles ahead of others in the queue.

how would you rate this?, this email was written by the system from the article. Dear Hiring Manager, I hope this message finds you well. My name is David Dodda, and I am writing to express my interest in the Software Engineer position at WIA Software Systems Inc. I am a Senior Software Developer with extensive experience in full-stack development, and I believe my skills align well with the requirements outlined in…

I am not a hiring manager but something about these mini-paragraphs puts me off. It's like those tabloid sites where every sentence has its own line.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by celdon25 »

Aurornis wrote: post #514
celdon25 wrote: post #386

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Anyone affected by this and in the US might consider calling or writing to their congressman. The time to do that is now when the demand is high to bolster jobs but low for excessive laws. Nobody innocent is going to be wronged if this is made into a crime or otherwise regulated to put a stop to. The fake job applicants are only siphoning resources from the economy at the high expense of all other parties involved. T…

> Nobody innocent is going to be wronged if this is made into a crime or otherwise regulated to put a stop to. Good luck. The applicants doing fake job applications do not care about your laws at all. Many might be in foreign countries. They might plan on applying with stolen identities. Making a law isn’t going to change a thing. Even if you did, what company is going to spend resources tracking down the likely fake…

> Making a law isn’t going to change a thing. Even if you did, what company is going to spend resources tracking down the likely fake identity of someone applying for a job just to hand it to law enforcement for them to ignore in their backlog forever?

I missed the part where I included that or any strategy on how it would be used as a deterrent. Clearly that's not how it is done as you pointed out, but you make it seem as if laws have no value at all, which is a rather naive take. Fraud is already illegal FYI.

I don't have a solution, other than to make a call to the people who are elected to find those solutions, if they are able to. If they can't or won't, then it is a good thing that phone call was free anyway.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by hansvm »

theonething wrote: post #522
bovermyer wrote: post #375

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Speaking from the point of view of an interviewee rather than an interviewer... I would pay for flying out to someplace for an in-person interview on my own dime, if I thought I would get a reasonable return on investment. If the interviewer _expected_ that I would pay for a cross-country (or cross-border) flight myself, that would cast a shadow on the opportunity for me.

You're reasoning doesn't make sense. You're saying that if an employer expected you to pay for the flight for an interview, that would be a red flag. But then you say that as an interviewer, you would be willing to pay for the flight for an interview (if you thought it would be reasonable ROI). The situation where you would be willing to pay for the flight implies that the employer would not pay for the flight (or el…

I have no idea _why_ they wrote that up, but the points do separately make sense. They're willing to pay for a flight in the abstract, just not in the current timeline where employers know they're supposed to pay for it.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by kraftman »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #540
bane wrote: post #451

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It's absolute insanity. Something has to give, or we're about to see some big changes in how hiring is done. I don't want to retype my recent experiences, but I have a thread from about 6 weeks ago that goes into my specific details here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42137229 I was in a good position so I could take my time, but I honestly don't know what I would have done if I had needed a position quickly.

All of you are being fed nonsense. During my 10 years of being a salaried employee I interviewed for only the first one. All of the rest including Faang companies I went in without any interviews by knowing people and pulling strings. You shouldn't have to "apply" for anything.

what if you don't know people or have strings to pull?

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by yosito »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #534
yosito wrote: post #372

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Personally, I've just been getting generic rejection responses from no-reply email addresses. There's no way to get feedback. My guess is that they're just sending out mass rejections for anyone except a few candidates they've selected to interview, and the other 1000 applications just get automatically tossed.

I was just hiring for an associate role recently and we got more than 800 applicants within a day, and our recruiter had a short list within a few days. If we gave everyone individualized feedback we wouldn’t do anything else for months. You might need to pay someone to look at the roles you’re applying for and the resumes you’re sending in for the kind of feedback you’re expecting.

I'm not the OP, but I've paid many people for feedback, and I actually have a very strong resume when a human being looks at it. I suspect that I'm being filtered out automatically because I don't meet the parameters of some automated system, probably on some relatively arbitrary metric set by the recruiter or hiring manager to filter the thousands of applications they receive.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by MathMonkeyMan »

xyst wrote: post #429

> Submit resume + cover letter Does anybody here actually read _cover letters_? I almost never submit them, unless required. I feel it's a remnant of pre-digital age where you would apply _in-person_ and the cover letter makes it _feel_ personal.

I write a cover letter if there's a field for it. I don't know if it matters.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

aantix wrote: post #342

The current hiring situation is so broken. Because of AI and automation. One developer job on LinkedIn - 1100 applicants, 1000+ don’t even live in the right region, so clearly it’s automated and they’re not reading even basic requirements. Next time - video interviews all the way through. Any hint of AI in the interview process, they’re done. If a different person shows up for the first day of the job, they’re done.

LinkedIn? Anyone who has a LinkedIn profile is automatically rejected. Signals low quality.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

kraftman wrote: post #554
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #540

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All of you are being fed nonsense. During my 10 years of being a salaried employee I interviewed for only the first one. All of the rest including Faang companies I went in without any interviews by knowing people and pulling strings. You shouldn't have to "apply" for anything.

what if you don't know people or have strings to pull?

You start looking at industries you are interested in, then look at companies which are on an upward trajectory in those industries, look at people who recently joined those companies, find their github / blogs / emails. Start talking to them about some common ground.
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