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Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by jorvi »

liber8 wrote: post #522
hcurtiss wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the degree lawmakers have weighed in, as you say, can you point me to a citation protecting the subsequent purchaser? I don't practice in this area, but that is definitely not my understanding of the law.

This guy is wrong, which is why he isn't citing any legal authority. As anyone who has gone to law school will tell you, you can only acquire the title that the seller has. If seller stole the goods, he doesn't have any title, so he can't transfer title to a subsequent buyer. See, e.g. UCC § 2-403 There are exceptions when it comes to those who have voidable title (thieves do not have voidable title). There are also…

> This guy is wrong, which is why he isn't citing any legal authority.

You never asked.

https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0005291/2024-05-01 article 83 onward

> As anyone who has gone to law school will tell you

Sounds like you wasted $300 000 just to be wrong :)

> But generally, OP is wrong: if you buy a stolen bike at a flea market, you don't get title and the owner can get the bike back.

I said bike fair, not flea market.

I will reiterate: the sale needs to have been in good faith. All the conditions for that need to have been met.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by codys »

graemep wrote: post #518
jorvi wrote: post #500

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No, I know our legal system quite well. You are wrong. The reason for this is so that if you buy a bicycle at, say, a bicycle fair and for a reasonable price, you shouldn’t have to worry about it being yoinked from under you later on. Lawmakers have clarified this is choosing between two evils, there is no winning proposition here. So, in conclusion: the original owner needs to file the claim, not the third party.

"o, I know our legal system quite well. You are wrong" "Our" legal system? Do you mean all common law countries or a particular one?

The commenter appears to have been referring to a specific law in the netherlands without stating this.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by bagels »

Alupis wrote: post #533
bagels wrote: post #390

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Please tell us the magical place you live in that has friendly, helpful police with time to investigate every crime.

Suburbs. We get 84 squad cars showing up for noise complaints... Many larger cities don't have the budget to provide adequate police coverage. So you get this sort of "best effort" response. This is made worse with recent years of "defund the police" policies creeping into some of our larger cities. It just reinforces the Pro 2A community's saying - when seconds matter, help is just minutes away.

I live in "Suburbs" I have never seen 84 police cars respond to anything, even school shootings.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by wpearse »

jmull wrote: post #81

I know this is useful (for something), but I'm stuck on the plot holes in the motivating story... Why didn't they replace the battery when the app complained? How long would a thief really keep the AirTag anyway? If the thief did keep the AirTag and you tracked them down, then what? A confrontation has a fairly high chance to have a worse result than losing some equipment. You could try to get the police to do it, bu…

We put AirTags in road cases/Pelican flight cases packed with AV/IT equipment. Pelican makes a stick-on AirTag holder that works well.

We’ve found the AirTags work just as well as LTE/4G GPS trackers —- with no-ongoing costs, better battery life (we get 6-9 months on the AirTags, 4-6 weeks on the GPS trackers), and AirTags are 1/5 the cost of an LTE tracker.

This product would work well for us.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by coolspot »

aaron695 wrote: post #240
kstrauser wrote: post #189

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I don't want someone to put razor wire on their catalytic converters so that it slices thieves' fingers off. I do, however, wish to leave the impression with thieves that perhaps my catalytic converter is protected by insanity armor.

Razor wire is called that because it looks like a razor. The danger is about the pointy shape. I'd be careful climbing it, if you fall/slip it's way worse than barbed wire. (Not sure how to do it tactically) I don't think it's that unethical to put it around the cat if it's obvious. It might be a danger in an accident or something. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor_wire

> Not sure how to do it tactically

A mattress thrown over

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

mikeortman wrote: post #256
nostromo wrote: post #252

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If it’s left anywhere in the open at anytime, you can repossess it legally as well. This happens with auto repossessions all the time. You don’t owe anyone an explanation as it’s yours - just take it if you can do so safely.

Just be careful! In SOME jurisdictions, you can get in trouble for 'stealing' if you take back something that was stolen. Possession vs Ownership are 2 different things. For instance, the thief may have stolen something, sold it to someone who bought it in good-faith, and you take it back from that person, it's technically theft! File a police report, go through the right channels. If you know its yours, call the pol…

Please evidence this claim.

I know it’s false in the UK and I’d imagine it is false in any country where the law is based on UK law.

Failing to retrieve it at the time is going to mean losing it forever. If you find a crackhead with your phone and wait for someone else to retrieve it, that phone is long gone.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by Epa095 »

liber8 wrote: post #522
hcurtiss wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the degree lawmakers have weighed in, as you say, can you point me to a citation protecting the subsequent purchaser? I don't practice in this area, but that is definitely not my understanding of the law.

This guy is wrong, which is why he isn't citing any legal authority. As anyone who has gone to law school will tell you, you can only acquire the title that the seller has. If seller stole the goods, he doesn't have any title, so he can't transfer title to a subsequent buyer. See, e.g. UCC § 2-403 There are exceptions when it comes to those who have voidable title (thieves do not have voidable title). There are also…

OP is just claiming that there exists juristrictions where his claim holds. IANALE (I am not a lawyer EVERYWHERE), so I can't really say that he's wrong. But you seem quite certain. Why?

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by lazide »

gottorf wrote: post #521
serf wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we can't all live in Bedford Falls, and the police aren't there for the benefit of the every-person no matter where you live. it's a nice bit of propaganda that they're there for us, but I urge anyone with that idea to seek out and research the history and origins of the modern police. hint : in the US they first emerged as 'slave patrols', and then later modernized into 'industrial labor controls', and things weren'…

> the history and origins of the modern police > in the US they first emerged as 'slave patrols' > Sir Robert Peel and his version of the 'police service' I assume that prior to the "modern" police, policing was still necessary, since there were lawbreakers and troublemakers since time immemorial. What do you regard as the substantive difference between the pre-modern police force and the modern? Did the former someh…

Typically law enforcement was DIY, done by a mob, or done at the behest/in the interest of a local strongman (king or lord).

That led to extremely selective enforcement at the best of times.

The idea of a professional, independent force that served the public and preferred formal laws was the innovation.

Previously you’d need to either deal with it yourself, or track down a local patron and hope they cared enough to assign some muscle to deal with it on your behalf - and didn’t favor the perp more. Think ‘Godfather’. In those cases, written law was rarely a priority either.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by ValentineC »

TuringNYC wrote: post #191

Nice solution, but the bigger problem is how AirTags can basically be turned off, which makes it poor for many use cases. Of course, I get it from Apple's perspective, they dont want AirTags to be used to tail others. However, that precludes it from being used for theft tracking. For example, I use an AirTag on my bicycle. If someone steals the bicycle, they are literally informed "an air tag is following you" https:…

> Nice solution, but the bigger problem is how AirTags can basically be turned off, which makes it poor for many use cases.

> Of course, I get it from Apple's perspective, they dont want AirTags to be used to tail others.

I'm also not a fan of having to go back to Apple and pay a fee for "battery service", when the current fix is a CR2032 battery that's under $1.

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