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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by vel0city »

logifail wrote: post #454
lucianbr wrote: post #441

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Is battery manufacturing that bad for the environment? I mean, ICE cars still have wheels, drivetrains, chassis, doors, windows, chairs, electronics, paint and many other things, same as the EVs. The electric motor I can't imagine its worse to produce than a combustion motor. So that leaves batteries as the cause of this huge disparity on day one, that takes 100,000km of fuel consumption to overtake. Is this with the…

> The electric motor I can't imagine its worse to produce than a combustion motor I assumed we're attempting to weigh up keeping an ICE vehicle that already exists - like my 10 year old diesel - vs building building a new EV vehicle and scrapping the old ICE.

Nobody is crushing their ICE and dumping it in the lake when they replace their existing and working ICE with an EV. They're selling/trading in their ICE which someone else will buy and use until it's not worth servicing anymore.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Workaccount2 wrote: post #526
ethagknight wrote: post #495

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I’ve had a Yukon with supercruise for 18 months. It is fantastic for highway driving, particularly, we’ve driven it west from Tennessee to Colorado and Florida. Other comments claiming it’s the same as other standard driver-assist packages are incorrect. Totally hands free, no “ping pong” with the lanes. That said, when trying to BUY a supercruise vehicle, the sales guys were clueless, I had to review the stat sheets…

From my understanding, super cruise only works on pre-approved roads/road sections, whereas FSD works just about anywhere. When I last checked my commute to work, the main highway I take becomes unsupported half way to work, despite it being the same bland typical highway layout. I really don't want to buy a Tesla, but from what I can tell, nobody has anything close to what FSD offers.

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by [deleted] »

rgovostes wrote: post #11
mingus88 wrote: post #10

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Based on my anecdotal experience, another issue is that salespeople are not trained on the tech I worked on a feature for new vehicles and the company failed in part because buyers simply didn’t know those features were part of the vehicle. Dealers never set it up for the buyer and it wasn’t something many people would think to do on their own A salesperson isn’t going to jeopardize an easy sale by bungling some fanc…

I don't want to be a jerk but the salesperson couldn't pronounce "autonomous" which tells me they aren't being trained in selling the feature at all. I can't even remember him referring to it by the marketing name.

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by pb7 »

mvkel wrote: post #550
standardUser wrote: post #19

Waymo needs competition. Who else is even close to being able to provide it? I'd hate to think Tesla is next in line because they haven't even started a commercial pilot program yet.

Have you ridden in a waymo? I've found it to be about 95% as good as FSD, and FSD goes anywhere. I've been very puzzled at people treating FSD as non-existent when it's very reliably good.

Yes, I have, it's been than anything else out there and it's not even close. There was never a moment in time that Waymo was not a distant leader despite how competitors wanted to appear.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by imglorp »

ghaff wrote: post #525
saalweachter wrote: post #506

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It's really annoying to me because I would love to just pick a dealership and go there for the rest of my life for all things automotive. I don't like being ripped off but I'm not particularly price sensitive, so I'd love to just show up and pay a reasonable sticker price that was just The Price Everyone Paid and not have this vague haggling system expected, and not have to worry whether I was being ripped because I…

I think service departments are actually pretty profitable for at least ICE dealerships. They certainly put the old college try into introducing you to the service manager even when you've purchased your car in a situation where you're unlikely to use that dealership for service. My last purchase during the supply chain shortages was actually remarkably stress-free other than not being able to get the car sooner rath…

Yes, according to @whiteboardfinance, the car is 26% only of their gross profit. The rest is finance, insurance (warranties), service, parts, etc.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by mlinhares »

ethagknight wrote: post #495
rgovostes wrote: post #3

> GM said in a statement that “... an increasingly competitive robotaxi market” were the reasons for the change. Isn't there basically Google/Waymo and then, seemingly much further behind, Tesla Cybertaxi, Amazon/Zoox, and Uber/Yandex? Cruise allegedly has one of the most sophisticated autonomous driving platforms, and GM's Super Cruise (if they share any tech) is comparable to Tesla FSD. Strange that they would bow…

I’ve had a Yukon with supercruise for 18 months. It is fantastic for highway driving, particularly, we’ve driven it west from Tennessee to Colorado and Florida. Other comments claiming it’s the same as other standard driver-assist packages are incorrect. Totally hands free, no “ping pong” with the lanes. That said, when trying to BUY a supercruise vehicle, the sales guys were clueless, I had to review the stat sheets…

It’s wild to me anyone would think turning on barrels is an edge case.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

kenjackson wrote: post #534
infecto wrote: post #507

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That would be comparing apples to oranges, you want apples to apples. Everyone replaces their car at some point. If you are comparing a new EV, its best to compare its impact compared to a new ICE. We all know its probably best in most cases to keep any vehicle, even one that is inefficient, on the road for its useful life.

> We all know its probably best in most cases to keep any vehicle, even one that is inefficient, on the road for its useful life. I didn’t know this until this thread. And I feel like I’ve heard people say things like they are going to improve the environment by ditching their current car for an EV, not because they’re planning on getting rid of their car anyways.

Well sadly, this thread has misinformed you.

Here's Top Gear explaining it, as my attempt to convey the same information seems to have bounced off most people replying:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/mythbusting-world-...

> But what if your existing petrol or diesel car is perfectly satisfactory? Obviously if you cause one less vehicle – of any kind – to be manufactured, you’re saving CO2 in the short term. But if you drive a lot of miles or your car is thirsty, then sell it to someone who drives less. Getting an EV would after a very few years move you into credit. If it’s efficient and you drive little, probably hold on to it for a while.

> In most areas of life, the greenest thing is simply to buy less stuff and keep it for longer. But with ICE cars, because they emit so much CO2 in use, it’s not always so simple.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by tosser2084 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #526
ethagknight wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had a Yukon with supercruise for 18 months. It is fantastic for highway driving, particularly, we’ve driven it west from Tennessee to Colorado and Florida. Other comments claiming it’s the same as other standard driver-assist packages are incorrect. Totally hands free, no “ping pong” with the lanes. That said, when trying to BUY a supercruise vehicle, the sales guys were clueless, I had to review the stat sheets…

From my understanding, super cruise only works on pre-approved roads/road sections, whereas FSD works just about anywhere. When I last checked my commute to work, the main highway I take becomes unsupported half way to work, despite it being the same bland typical highway layout. I really don't want to buy a Tesla, but from what I can tell, nobody has anything close to what FSD offers.

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by lm28469 »

lm28469 wrote: post #442
standardUser wrote: post #19

Waymo needs competition. Who else is even close to being able to provide it? I'd hate to think Tesla is next in line because they haven't even started a commercial pilot program yet.

Didn't Waymo's CEO admit self driving cars were a pipe dream a few years ago ?

Can't edit my comment but seeing the number of downvotes I might as well enlighten a few people: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/alphabet-google-waymo-ceo...

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Post by bdangubic »

karlgkk wrote: post #312
bdangubic wrote: post #267

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get drunk, pass out in a Tesla and have it take you home. come back here when this happens (ballparking 2089…).

I think an actual realistic goal for this is closer to 2030 or 2035. But it certainly won’t be your personal vehicle or it’ll require subscribing to an overseer system (like Waymo uses) Btw that kinda thing is one of the few use cases that really does require 5g’s latency and bandwidth… which Tesla currently doesn’t ship. More hardware updates are going to come, despite musks promises)

if this is 2030/2035 Tesla stock is overvalued by about 89.56%
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