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Re: California's most neglected group of students: the gifted ones

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Post by aspenmayer » Sat, Nov 30, 2024, 8:26 AM UTC

exe34 wrote: post #535

aspenmayer wrote: post #531

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If good faith weren't a prerequisite for reasoned debate, perhaps.

remember, we're talking about somebody getting triggered by the words "virtue-signalling", so I think good faith left the conversation a few stops back.

This is part of why it’s a bad term - its meaning is almost impossible to understand even in context because it means different things to different people and people read a lot into it. It’s kind of overloaded and seems like flamebait to me, I guess.

Some interesting bits here as well (italics added for emphasis):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

> However, some argue that these expressions of outrage or moral alignment may reflect genuine concern, and that accusing others of virtue signalling can itself be a form of signalling. This has led to the coining of a related concept, vice signalling, which refers to the public promotion of negative or controversial views to appear tough, pragmatic, or rebellious, often for political or social capital.

I would add on and argue that using the term virtue signaling is itself an example of virtue signaling.

Re: California's most neglected group of students: the gifted ones

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Post by frmersdog » Thu, Dec 05, 2024, 10:28 PM UTC

rangestransform wrote: post #477

frmersdog wrote: post #110

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>only because they can vote Domain specificity of "weak link"-hood, as well as the compounding of innocuous, sub-symptomatic "weak links": Carpenter Tom is a hard-worker, great husband, and community leader. And he voted for an autocrat, against his explicit interests (benefits from ACA, benefits from undocumented immigrant labor, benefits from special-ed resources for his kids) because he dislikes keeping abreast of…

> You're going to disenfranchise him? No, I'm just going to wish that he was more educated and informed, and that the school system 40 years ago taught him critical thinking. American school needs to get better at teaching middling students too, too many USAians I talk to are incapable of reasoning about and discussing policy. With all that being said, the way he is the "weak link" is that by voting, he is most capab…

Maybe? Disenfranchise him, and see how all of the good he does for his community is consumed by the energy he puts into not being the second-class citizen that you've designated him as. We're bound to the success of our weakest links because they affect our lives beyond the arenas where they're weak. In our subject's case, he's ass at voting, but society gets more out of him than just that one ill-conceived moment.

Re: California's most neglected group of students: the gifted ones

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Post by phatskat » Fri, Dec 06, 2024, 11:15 PM UTC

mlyle wrote: post #545

phatskat wrote: post #537

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> But even with technical measures, there are a nearly infinite number of ways to screw around. Indeed there are! I was in high school around 20 years ago, and our computers were “locked down”. You couldn’t install anything (or really run any unapproved binary), access to system tools was disabled, and every time a computer rebooted, it would wipe a clean image to the HD so no changes would be saved to disk. My frien…

There's definitely technical/fancy tomfoolery. But I'm also just surprised in very low-tech ways. I once had someone draw a very elaborate stick figure fight in CAD for an entire 74 minute period instead of the high priority project his teammates were waiting on. It's tricky for me in the engineering project classes, because I'll often be very deeply involved with one group teaching a new task or skill. 90% of the ti…

Ha I had a classmate in one of my design courses who would make stunning art in Paint while we were all diving into Blender xD