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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by stoperaticless »

trhway wrote: post #468
avh02 wrote: post #463

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Oh no, if only radio/emergency broadcast television/satellite/alternative cable routes/contingency plans had been invented!

We can look at October 7th in Israel how long, with all the communications and infrastructure working, it took to organize defense in a very technologically developed country which basically had been living in the state of war readiness. Now add broken significant communications, chaos of non-working banks/ATMs, power shut-offs, clogged highways, etc. (don't get me wrong - i'm not saying that Russia can do all that,…

These broke cables have not affected daily lives (possibly ISPs had extra work though)

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by ponector »

petre wrote: post #102
regnull wrote: post #90

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The solution is to project strength and hit them where they don't expect. You are dealing with a thug, not a cost/benefit accountant, as Obama seemed to mistakenly believe. As long as they do things and we respond, nothing good will happen. They have already calculated the response and found it acceptable. Instead of this, go to the mattresses. Oh, your bridge has suddenly exploded? Shame.

"We" already screwed their pipeline, what's left? Provide Ukraine with the means to blow up the Kerch bridge maybe? They're the ones that could legitimately do that sort of escalation.

>> what's left?

Cut trade? But everyone likes Russian dirty money too much

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by aguaviva »

GordonS wrote: post #500
nobody9999 wrote: post #369

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>C'mon. Their funding is entirely US dependent. I believe you're misinformed about that. The majority of committed support by country has come from the United States, whose total aid commitment is valued at about $75 billion. The U.S. is followed by Germany and the United Kingdom for highest commitments overall. The European Union as a whole has committed approximately $93 billion in aid to Ukraine.[0] While the US i…

Right... but the EU is acting as US' proxy; the EU only threw all that money at the Ukraine (destroying itself economically in the process!) because of US "influence". Many EU countries are now little more than US vassals.

Many EU countries are now little more than US vassals

They're nothing of the sort. Your perspective is seriously out of touch with reality.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by stoperaticless »

regnull wrote: post #90
euroderf wrote: post #73

So what's the solution ? Assign a surveillance UAV to every Russian ship parked "without a good reason" over a cable ? It would be expensive, but doable, and create a reserve of vehicles for wartime use.

The solution is to project strength and hit them where they don't expect. You are dealing with a thug, not a cost/benefit accountant, as Obama seemed to mistakenly believe. As long as they do things and we respond, nothing good will happen. They have already calculated the response and found it acceptable. Instead of this, go to the mattresses. Oh, your bridge has suddenly exploded? Shame.

> You are dealing with a thug, not a cost/benefit accountant

Spot on.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by [deleted] »

staplung wrote: post #63

It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by pelasaco »

stoperaticless wrote: post #540
Etheryte wrote: post #242

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This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

Well, you never know 100%. There is a small (really small) chance it was an accident. Just like there is a small chance that Al Capone was innocent man. (But really, it clearly has “Russia” written all over it)

just to be honest, the Pipelines explosion, had "Russia" written all over it, except after investigation, and a possible culprit, i.e not Russia, then nobody wanted to discuss about it anymore. I think the hysteria is too high, people are thirsty for War, looks like..

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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staplung wrote: post #63

It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by pelasaco »

ninjin wrote: post #497
kookamamie wrote: post #485

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A ship. The ship is named Newnew Polar Bear.

Reference for those of us unfamiliar with the incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newnew_Polar_Bear#Damage_to_un...

"In August 2024, an internal Chinese investigation indicated that the ship was indeed responsible for the damage, claiming it was an accident due to heavy weather rather than intentional sabotage.[23][24]"

The internal Chinese investigation indicated that was an accident.. LOL

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by v0lta »

nkrisc wrote: post #537
trhway wrote: post #424

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yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…

This would be more concerning if Russia had any tanks left. Are you suggesting Russia has a full invasion force they’re not using in Ukraine? Or to liberate their own occupied territory?

Today: no In 5-10 years: probably

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by mciancia »

pelasaco wrote: post #556
stoperaticless wrote: post #540

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Well, you never know 100%. There is a small (really small) chance it was an accident. Just like there is a small chance that Al Capone was innocent man. (But really, it clearly has “Russia” written all over it)

just to be honest, the Pipelines explosion, had "Russia" written all over it, except after investigation, and a possible culprit, i.e not Russia, then nobody wanted to discuss about it anymore. I think the hysteria is too high, people are thirsty for War, looks like..

> people are thirsty for War, looks like

Russians, yes

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