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Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by mmooss »

ajdude wrote: post #409

It wasn't even just buffering issues, the feed would just stop and never start again until I paused it and then clicked "watch live" with the remote. It was really bad. My Dad has always been a fan of boxing so I came over to watch the whole thing with him. He has his giant inflatable screen and a projector that we hooked up in the front lawn to watch it, But everything kept buffering. We figured it was the Wi-Fi so…

> My Dad has always been a fan of boxing

What did your Dad think about the 'boxing'?

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by mmooss »

ericcholis wrote: post #310
everly wrote: post #222

Cable TV (or even OTA antenna in the right service area) is simply a superior live product compared to anything streaming. The Masters app is the only thing that comes close imo. Cable TV + DVR + high speed internet for torrenting is still an unmatched entertainment setup. Streaming landscape is a mess. It's too bad the cable companies abused their position and lost any market goodwill. Copper connection direct to ev…

The Masters app is truly incredible, I don't know if it gets enough praise.

What's so great about it?

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by prasadjoglekar »

mfiguiere wrote: post #544
ctvo wrote: post #510

It’s insane the excuses being made here for Netflix’s apparently unique circumstances. They failed. Full stop. There is no valid technical reason they couldn’t have had a smooth experience. There are numerous people with experience building these systems they could have hired and listened to. It isn’t a novel problem. Here are the other companies that are peers that livestream just fine, ignoring traditional broadcas…

The examples given here are not on the same scale. The numbers known so far: - 120m viewers [1] - Entire Netflix CDN Traffic grew 4x when the live stream started [2] [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/jake-paul-... [2] https://x.com/DougMadory/status/1857634875257294866

Disney HotStar managed to stream ~60M livestreams for the Cricket world cup a year ago. The problem has been solved. Livestreaming sports just have a different QoS expectations than on demand.

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-did-hotstar-managed-5-9-cr...

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by silisili »

mfiguiere wrote: post #544
ctvo wrote: post #510

It’s insane the excuses being made here for Netflix’s apparently unique circumstances. They failed. Full stop. There is no valid technical reason they couldn’t have had a smooth experience. There are numerous people with experience building these systems they could have hired and listened to. It isn’t a novel problem. Here are the other companies that are peers that livestream just fine, ignoring traditional broadcas…

The examples given here are not on the same scale. The numbers known so far: - 120m viewers [1] - Entire Netflix CDN Traffic grew 4x when the live stream started [2] [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/jake-paul-... [2] https://x.com/DougMadory/status/1857634875257294866

I guess one question I have is did Netflix partner with other CDNs?

Despite their already huge presence, Amazon for example has multiple CDNs involved for capacity for live events. Same for Peacock.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by smegger001 »

wayoverthecloud wrote: post #245

I watched the whole fight with a 2 minute delay. That was frustrating and it didn't help that Tyson lost.

Well he is almost 60 and the average retirement age for pro boxers is in the mid 30s. He is well past his prime and in physically demanding sport that is very hard on participants.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by smegger001 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #21
jeffbee wrote: post #12

Why do they want to get into the live business? It doesn't seem to synergize with their infrastructure. Sending the same stream in real time to numerous people just isn't the same task as letting people stream optimized artifacts that are prepositioned at the edge of the network.

They want to break into sports because it’s such a big business and if you do sports you need to be able to stream live.

Because its the one area traditional networks have the advantage in

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by crazygringo »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #455
_fat_santa wrote: post #427

When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

This isn't Netflix's first foray into livestreaming. They tried a livestream last year for a reunion episode of one of their reality TV shows which encountered similar issues [0]. Netflix already has a contract to livestream a football event on Christmas, so it'll be interesting to see if their engineers are able to get anything done in a little over a month. These failures reflect very poorly on Netflix leadership.…

> But we all know that leadership is never held accountable for their failures.

You've never heard of a CEO or other C-suite or VP getting fired?

It most definitely happens. On the other hand, people at every level make mistakes, and it's preferable that they learn from them rather than be fired, if at all possible.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by mbrumlow »

softwaredoug wrote: post #495

The way to deal with this is to constantly do live events, and actually build organizational muscle. Not these massive one off events in an area the tech team has no experience in.

I have this argument a lot in tech.

We should always be doing (the thing we want to do)

Somme examples that always get me in trouble (or at least big heated conversations)

1. Always be building: It does not matter if code was not changed, or there has been no PRs or whatever, build it. Something in your org or infra has likely changed. My argument is "I would rather have a build failure on software that is already released, than software I need to release".

2. Always be releasing: As before it does not matter if nothing changed, push out a release. Stress the system and make it go through the motions. I can't tell you how many times I have seen things fail to deploy simply because they have not attempted to do so in some long period of time.

There are more just don't have time to go into them. The point is if "you did it, and need to do it again ever in the future, then you need to continuously do it"

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

softwaredoug wrote: post #495

The way to deal with this is to constantly do live events, and actually build organizational muscle. Not these massive one off events in an area the tech team has no experience in.

The WWE is moving their programming to Netflix next year. If I were them, I'd be horrified at what I saw.
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