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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by rawgabbit »

nosbo wrote: post #508
rawgabbit wrote: post #415

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For me the key difference between ChatGPT Search and Google is the feedback mechanism. With ChatGPT, I can give a thumbs up or thumbs down; this means that OpenAI will optimize for users thumbs up. With Google, the feedback is if I click on an Ad; this means that Google optimizes for clickbait.

Is it optimising for all users? And assuming people thumbs up the correct info. I wonder what accuracy percentage we are looking at there. ChatGPTs responses are so confident when wrong I fear people will just give it a thumbs up when its wrong. (This is if how I understand the feature you mention is working)

I am not talking about accuracy. Only experts can determine factuality.

I am talking about relevance or returning what I asked. If I ask for reviews for SaaS product, Google will usually return a rival vendors’ biased review.

If ChatGpt search returns a review written by “the professional association of xxx developers” or another unbiased site, I will give it a thumbs up. I believe other people will do the same.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by pocketarc »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #525
freedomben wrote: post #436

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I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…

> I'm also cautiously optimistic though. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a bit shakey for a minute or two. But I don't understand how all of these AI results (note I haven't used Kagi so I don't know if it's different) don't fundamentally and irretrievably break the economics of the web. The "old deal" if you will is that many publishers would put stuff out on the web for free, but then with the hope that they cou…

The internet was great before the great monetization of it, had tons of information provided for free with no ads. After ads, it will still have tons of information. Stack Overflows will still exist, Wikipedias, corporate blogs that serve just to boost the company, people making courses and other educational content, personal blogs (countless of which make their way here), all of those will continue to exist.

Ad-driven social networks will continue to exist as well.

The age of the ad-driven blog website is probably at an end. But there will be countless people posting stuff online for free anyway.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by [deleted] »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #525
freedomben wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely think Kagi has led the way on this one. Simplicity is beautiful and effective, and Kagi has (IMHO) absolutely nailed it with their AI approach. It's one of those things that in hindsight seems obvious, which is a pretty good measure of how good an idea is IMHO. Google could have done it and kind of tried, although they're AI sucks too much. I'm very surprised that OpenAI hasn't done this sooner as well. T…

> I'm also cautiously optimistic though. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a bit shakey for a minute or two. But I don't understand how all of these AI results (note I haven't used Kagi so I don't know if it's different) don't fundamentally and irretrievably break the economics of the web. The "old deal" if you will is that many publishers would put stuff out on the web for free, but then with the hope that they cou…

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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by dserban »

Looking at this, it's not long until OpenAI starts offering a version of this to ecommerce companies for their search backends, it's a space that is held back by corporate corruption, and it's ripe for disruption.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by wvenable »

ryandrake wrote: post #501
jahewson wrote: post #368

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Reddit is astroturfed pretty hard too nowadays. It just takes more work to spot it.

Yea, the whole "Scope your search to reddit" idea always comes up, but it just seems like a really terrible idea. How does one know for sure that the results from Reddit are any more accurate or authoritative than random SEO spam? There's very little curation or moderation there--anyone could post anything there. I could go there and comment on a subject that I have zero expertise in, make it sound confidently correc…

You can read whole conversations. Most of the smaller subreddits that this type of search picks up are actually filled with people passionate about whatever subject area it is. In general, I find it very trustworthy.

If you post something wrong on the Internet, someone will correct you.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by esafak »

ericmcer wrote: post #433
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I am excited for a future where I search for some info and don't end up sifting through ads and getting distracted by some tangential clickbait article. Fundamentally it feels like that cant happen though because there is no money in it, but a reality where my phone is an all knowing voice I can reliably get info from instead of a distraction machine would be awesome. I do "no screen" days sometimes and tried to do o…

Yes, there is. Wouldn't you pay? I already pay for my search engine.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by janalsncm »

hightrix wrote: post #526
janalsncm wrote: post #467

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I have no doubt that Google’s search team is optimizing for the best results. The problem is their ads team is optimizing for revenue. You can’t optimize for two things at the same time without compromising (the optimum is the Pareto frontier).

In my opinion, the issue is that the user's definition of "best results" and Google's definition do not align, including the Search team. Google's incentives are very different than user's needs.

I disagree, personally. I think the engineers there are human and they can see that the results aren’t good. Maybe some of them are in this thread. If I had to guess, I think there are a lot of sub-teams contributing scores to the overall ranking and optimizing for sub-metrics, and it’s too big of a beast to fix. In other words, a failure of leadership.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by nbaksalyar »

greenavocado wrote: post #483
umvi wrote: post #451

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At some point it seems like Google switch to ML-based search instead of index based search. You can search for very specific combinations of lyrics and scenes: "eyes on me pineapple bucket of water house of cards chess time loop" and you won't surface a link to the music video featuring all of those things ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlzgDVLtU6g ), you'll just get really generic results of the average of your q…

Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

> Has google completely stopped working for anyone else?

Yes. However, I found that https://scholar.google.com still works perfectly well. It feels just as the old Google without all the crap they've been adding in the last years.

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