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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by superb_dev »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #540
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

Apple also left a very convenient hole in their boot loader to allow running another OS. Linux works pretty well these days

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by victor106 »

lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

I agree 100% with this.

Amongst all the big tech companies Apple is the closest you will get to if you want Privacy.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by SSLy »

optymizer wrote: post #506
hypercube33 wrote: post #482

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I feel like if they pushed Win32/Gaming on Apple Mx hardware it'd give at least a single reason for people to adopt or upgrade their devices to new models. I know for sure I'd be on board if everything that ran on my steam deck ran on a mac game wise, since that's holding me back from dropping the cash. I still think I'll get a mini though.

My only explanations for the lack of gaming support (see historical lack of proper OpenGL support) while still supporting high end graphics use cases (film editing, CAD, visual effects) are: 1) Either Apple wants to maintain the image of the Macbook as a "serious device", and not associate itself with the likes of "WoW players in their mom's basement". 2) Microsoft worked something out with Apple, where Apple would n…

It's funny because they directly advertise performance in WoW in M4 presskit https://imgur.com/CoBGQ0b

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by lukev »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #540
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

Of course I wish the hardware were somehow more open, but to a large extent, it's directly because of hardware based privacy features.

If you allowed third-party components without restraint, there'd be no way to prevent someone swapping out a component.

Lock-in and planned obsolescence are also factors, and ones I'm glad the EU (and others) are pushing back here. But it isn't as if there are no legitimate tradeoffs.

Regarding screw tightening... if they ever completely remove the ability to run untrusted code, yes, then I'll admit I was wrong. But I am more than happy to have devices be locked down by default. My life has gotten much easier since I got my elderly parents and non-technical siblings to move completely to the Apple ecosystem. That's the tradeoff here.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by sqeaky »

arzke wrote: post #549
paulryanrogers wrote: post #540

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> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

> How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? Not sure what you mean exactly by this, but to me their Self Service Repair program is a step in the right direction.

It was mandated by right to repair laws, it provides the absolute minimum, and they've attempted the price out people wanting to do repairs. The only way it could be more hostile to users is by literally being illegal.

They could go out of their way to make things actually easy to work on and service, but that has never been the Apple Way. Compare to framework or building your own PC, or even repairing a laptop from another OEM.

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Post by riazrizvi »

lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

The approach that the big platforms have to producing their own versions of very successful apps cannibalizes their partners. This focus on consumer privacy by Apple is the company's killer competitive advantage in this particular area, IMO. If I felt they were mining me for my private business data I'd switch to Linux in heartbeat. This is what keeps me off Adobe, Microsoft Office, Google's app suite, and apps like Notion as much as possible.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by jeffybefffy519 »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #540
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

Considering you need an Apple ID to log into the hardware, id argue Apple gatekeeps that ownership pretty tightly.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by giik »

markus_zhang wrote: post #529
JohnBooty wrote: post #526

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Amen. I got a crazy deal on a brand new 2020 M1 Max MBP with 64GB/2TB in 2023. This is the best machine I have ever owned. It is so completely perfect in every way. I can't imagine replacing it for many many years.

Congratulations, just curious what is the deal?

At the end of 2023 BH Photo Video was selling the M1 Max 16” 64G/2TB for 2,499. It’s the lowest I’ve ever seen it anywhere and I got one myself.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by lukev »

jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #557
paulryanrogers wrote: post #540

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> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

Considering you need an Apple ID to log into the hardware, id argue Apple gatekeeps that ownership pretty tightly.

This isn't true.

edit: also, unless you are the digital equivalent of "off the grid", I would argue most people are going to need some sort of cloud-based identity anyway for messaging, file-sharing, etc. iCloud is far and away the most secure of the options available to most users, and the only one that uses full end-to-end encryption across all services.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by willseth »

mort96 wrote: post #240
manaskarekar wrote: post #17

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The M3 Max was 400GBps, this is 540GBps. Truly an outstanding case for unified memory. DDR5 doesn't come anywhere near.

This is a case for on-package memory, not for unified memory... Laptops have had unified memory forever EDIT: wtf what's so bad about this comment that it deserves being downvoted so much

Intel typically calls their iGPU architecture "shared memory"
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