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Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by matheusmoreira »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #483
matheusmoreira wrote: post #451

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Why would you need to run Windows? Linux should work mini computers just fine.

I have a minisforum minipc. first thing I did was wipe windows and put popos on it. super happy with it. That said, getting anyone who isn't used to linux to usd anything other than windows as easy as pulling your teeth. People go towards whats familiar; Even when what's familiar is objectively trash that spies on you.

I don't try to get others to use Linux anymore. "Anyone who isn't used to Linux" can keep doing whatever it is they're already doing. So long as we can use it, I'm happy. I care about Linux usage only as far as it makes it harder for companies to ignore or block us.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by fourfour3 »

hbn wrote: post #405
diggan wrote: post #123

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> Apple is now in decline I've been saying this since the butterfly-keyboard fiasco. At that point it was clear that professional users weren't the focus anymore, and I promptly left the ecosystem. I still have a iPhone (12 mini) that I only keep because it still works, but every time CarPlay tries to murder me in traffic, I get one step closer to just yeeting that phone into the sea.

Apple silicon Macs have been many people's favorite computers they've ever purchased (myself included) and blew out the value proposition for buying practically any other computer, unless you specifically need Windows for some reason. iPhones have gotten so good they can barely come up with anything new to add year-over-year. Young people in the west are almost exclusively buying iPhones because people like them. The…

Exactly. The 2016-2018 models were the low point, but Apple has listened and has improved since then.

The 2019 16” was a step in the right direction. More ports, better cooling, better keyboard.

The M1 Pro/Max line up brought back HDMI, MagSafe, SD card slots, and are seriously fast, quiet, & cool. The M2 and M3 releases have been iterative performance improvements and haven’t made any stupid decisions.

Apple’s also invested development effort into useful tooling for developers like their virtualisation framework - this has made Docker on Mac vastly more pleasant for instance.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by pdimitar »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #388
diggan wrote: post #297

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Obviously, by the context, it should be clear we're not talking about the stock price, probably the least interesting data point.

What are you talking about then, market share? unit numbers? gross profit? net profit? If I was judging by the context I'd say it's just a good old cynical whinge which is OK but very subjective.

User goodwill. I'm a programmer and I can easily accept they don't care about us. Fine. But I've been hearing very casual users loudly complaining as well.

At one point sales drop below what executives find acceptable. It has already started for iPhones and has been like that for several years.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by anoncow »

e63f67dd-065b wrote: post #330

With educational pricing this thing starts as $500, and at 16GB of RAM (finally) I think this easily beats any sort of desktop PC you can buy at that price (let's exclude custom builds, they're not the same market). I think this just became the go-to recommendation I'll give to anybody wanting an entry-level desktop computer of any kind. In fact I might buy one for my parents right now to replace the old mac mini the…

Imagine the used market. An amazing computer for just 300 usd is possible. Apple is doing amazing.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by paulcole »

goosedragons wrote: post #416
e63f67dd-065b wrote: post #330

With educational pricing this thing starts as $500, and at 16GB of RAM (finally) I think this easily beats any sort of desktop PC you can buy at that price (let's exclude custom builds, they're not the same market). I think this just became the go-to recommendation I'll give to anybody wanting an entry-level desktop computer of any kind. In fact I might buy one for my parents right now to replace the old mac mini the…

There's still good deals in mini PC land. Yes, the M4 is faster but there's loads of mini PCs with decent CPUs, 32GB RAM and a 1TB of SSD storage for under $600. I think for a lot of people for basic usage they'll get more value out of the larger and upgradable SSDs than the faster CPU. https://www.amazon.com/BOSGAME-5700U-Displays-Computers-Emul... https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-SER5-Desktop-Computer-Graphic...

> I think for a lot of people for basic usage they'll get more value out of the larger and upgradable SSDs than the faster CPU

Why exactly?

What are a "lot of people" storing on their computers these days? Photos are in the cloud or on our phones. Videos and music are streaming. Documents take up no space. Programs are in the cloud (for the most part).

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by nicce »

bilsbie wrote: post #546

Would this make a good gaming computer?

Depends on what you play. It can probably play most games already. For high-end graphics, you would need GeForce Now (which works on M series Macs flawlessly btw).

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by pdimitar »

kstrauser wrote: post #543
pdimitar wrote: post #178

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Oh I agree, I cringed hard back then as well but at least the Mac software and speed was decent so I figured the beginning of their slow downfall will not affect me for a while, and I was right. Nowadays though... I am stuck with a former workstation-grade hardware where Neovim needs FIVE SECONDS TO START because macOS is auditing each and every of its syscalls. I switch to my (now allegedly ancient) full-AMD laptop…

Something's seriously wrong with your system. I just launched nvim on mine and couldn't measurably detect the interval between hitting enter to exec the command and seeing the welcome screen. Even opening and immediately quitting my substantially customized Emacs took 1.7s. Your setup should not be taking many seconds to do those routine things. Last time I experienced something like that, I had a dying harddrive tha…

That it shouldn't be like that we all agree with.

My Neovim is heavily customized (AstroNvim) but again, it starts instantly on a supposedly weaker CPU.

Any pointers on how do I find those read timeout events or any signs of dying hardware?

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by throwaway48476 »

rtkwe wrote: post #517
throwaway48476 wrote: post #508

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There's an industry in China for desoldering and reusing apple bands. Unfortunately getting new oem nands is going to take legislation.

Yes, though that relies on the product being fairly popular and for the chip to be stable for a while for it to be a useful source. Mac Studio NAND chips aren't going to be readily available from them unless they happen to be a shared part from a more popular device.

All macs use the same compatible nand chips.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by nextos »

srid wrote: post #520
goosedragons wrote: post #416

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There's still good deals in mini PC land. Yes, the M4 is faster but there's loads of mini PCs with decent CPUs, 32GB RAM and a 1TB of SSD storage for under $600. I think for a lot of people for basic usage they'll get more value out of the larger and upgradable SSDs than the faster CPU. https://www.amazon.com/BOSGAME-5700U-Displays-Computers-Emul... https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-SER5-Desktop-Computer-Graphic...

Which mini PC is recommended for those looking to run Linux (as a server, not desktop) on them?

Minix if your budget is $200-400. Cirrus7 if your budget is $500-1000.

There are many other manufacturers. I am biased towards fanless builds, like those two.

NUCs are also a great option, especially if you replace the case with a fanless Akasa one.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by pdimitar »

hbn wrote: post #405
diggan wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple is now in decline I've been saying this since the butterfly-keyboard fiasco. At that point it was clear that professional users weren't the focus anymore, and I promptly left the ecosystem. I still have a iPhone (12 mini) that I only keep because it still works, but every time CarPlay tries to murder me in traffic, I get one step closer to just yeeting that phone into the sea.

Apple silicon Macs have been many people's favorite computers they've ever purchased (myself included) and blew out the value proposition for buying practically any other computer, unless you specifically need Windows for some reason. iPhones have gotten so good they can barely come up with anything new to add year-over-year. Young people in the west are almost exclusively buying iPhones because people like them. The…

If you find my statement bizarre then you're either super lucky or haven't paid much attention. Even their Photos app started making mistakes since iOS 18.
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