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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
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#552Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…
It's the same thing that happened with mechanical looms. Programming will go from an artisan craft to the sweatshops and software programming will become low paying precarious gig work.
This is all about labor and capital. When people toss hundreds of billions at something it almost always is.
The social relationship doesn't have to be this way. Technological improvement could help us instead of screw us over. But we'd first have to admit that profit exploitation isn't absolutely the best thing ever and we'll never do that. Soooo here we are.
Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
#553I wouldn't read too much into this, as OpenAI is a relatively big company with 3k+ employees (and I'm sure they'll reach 5-10k headcount soon), ie. they have enough firepower to run product experiments like this.
But, what I find interesting here is that this product could be developed by anybody using OpenAI (or other) API calls, ie. OpenAI is now experimenting with more vertical applications, versus just focusing on building the biggest and best models as fast as possible to keep outpacing the competition.
If this is more than just an experiment, which we don't know, that would be a very interesting development from the biggest AI/LLM player.
Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
#554The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".
This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.
My coworkers do just fine with vim.
Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have a reference for the "Juggling dog" thing? I've heard it with "singing dog", but I never managed to find any "official" reference or explanation of the thing.
He meant singing dog, likely conflated due to his linguistic interest. "Juggling dog" has only been expressed a single time previously in our corpus of humanity: During the Middle Ages, however, church and state sometimes frowned more sternly on the juggler. "The duties of the king," said the edicts of the Sixth Council of Paris during the Middle Ages, "are to prevent theft, to punish adultery, and to refuse to maint…
TIL about "jongleurs".
I suspect what I heard was a deliberate modification of this sexist quote from Samuel Johnson, which I only found by this thread piquing my curiosity: "Sir, a woman's preaching is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all." - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/252983-sir-a-woman-s-preach...
Trying to find where I got my version from, takes me back to my own comments on Hacker News from 8 months ago, and I couldn't remember where I got it from then either:
> "your dog is juggling, filing taxes, and baking a cake, and rather than be impressed it can do any of those things, you're complaining it drops some balls, misses some figures, and the cake recipe leaves a lot to be desired". - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170057
My comment there predates this Mastodon thread, but the story in Mastodon may predate whoever told me the version I encountered: https://social.coop/@GuerillaOntologist/112598462146879765
Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not an issue. Technology moves forward. You don't adapt, you fall behind. There were other editors and IDE's before the one you use. New devs will use it. Anyway, I don't use them either. I prefer to use ChatGPT and Claude directly.
My coworkers do just fine with vim.
"past performance is not indicative of future results"
Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
#557The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".
I have started using Claude Dev (an extension for VSCode - https://github.com/saoudrizwan/claude-dev ), and so far my impression has been very positive. It’s a full blown code agent that looks for relevant files in the code base, can ask you to run commands and modify files etc. You use your own Anthropic API key or self hosted model.
Claude Dev does have a really nice UI nailed down. I was not aware that you could run local models yourself with it, which would be a great feature but kind of obviates the name.
Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
#558Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
#559Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the moment this feels like a x10 speed run on the browser wars: lots of competitors very quickly churning who is "best" according to some metric, stuff getting baked into operating systems, freely licensed models. How do you make money off a web browser, to justify the development costs? And what does that look like in an LLM?
LLMs are a more flexible platform than browsers. They can be prompted, finetuned or run locally. Even if a company wants to make their base model spit ads, it won't fly.
Depends how subtle they are about it, and what the rest of the ecosystem looks like.
Perhaps the ad/ad-blocker analogy would be: You can have the free genuinely open source LLM trained only on Wikipedia and out-of-copyright materials, or you can have one trained on current NYT articles and Elsevier publications that also subtly pushes you towards specific brand names or political parties that paid to sponsor the model.
Also consider SEO: every business wants to do that, nobody wants to use a search engine where the SEO teams won. We're already seeing people try to do SEO-type things to LLMs.
If (when) the advertisers "win" and some model is spitting out "Buy Acme TNT, for all your roadrunner-hunting needs! Special discount for coyotes!" on every other line, then I'd agree with you, it won't fly, people will switch. But it doesn't need to start quite so bold, the first steps on this path are already being attempted by marketers attempting to induce LLMs crawling their content to say more good things about their own stuff. I hope they fail, but I expect them to keep trying until they succeed.
Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT
#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
Juggling dog. It's not very good, but it's amazing that it's possible at all. https://github.com/BenWheatley/Timeline-of-the-near-future I've only used the "Deep Dive" generator a few times, and I'm already sensing the audio equivalent of "youtube face" in the style — not saying that's inherently bad, but this is definitely early days for this kind of tool, so consider Deep Dive as it is today to be a GPT-2 demo of t…
Do you have a reference for the "Juggling dog" thing? I've heard it with "singing dog", but I never managed to find any "official" reference or explanation of the thing.
Unfortunately not.
Trying to find where I got my version from just brought me back to one of my own comments on Hacker News from 8 months ago:
> "your dog is juggling, filing taxes, and baking a cake, and rather than be impressed it can do any of those things, you're complaining it drops some balls, misses some figures, and the cake recipe leaves a lot to be desired". - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170057
I couldn't remember where I got it from then either.