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OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by shprd »

educasean wrote: post #546
shprd wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who are the weak being "sacrificed"? The work of artists, authors, etc. I know currently the legal situation is messy, but that's exactly the point, anyone who can't engage in lengthy legal battle and defend their position in court are being sacrificed. The companies behind LLMs are spending hundreds of millions of dollars in lobbying and exploiting loopholes. Let's be real without the data there wouldn't be LLMs,…

What about programmers? I never consented to have my code consumed by LLMs.

Any case where someone's work was used without respecting the terms is included in my answer. That's why I used `et cetera` here:

> The work of artists, authors, etc.

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Post by elAhmo »

thesurlydev wrote: post #278

I can't help but wonder if things would be different if Sam Altman wasn't allowed to come back to OpenAI. Instead, the safeguards are gone, challengers have left the company, and the bottom line is now the new priority. All in opposition to ushering in AI advancement with the caution and respect it deserves.

Similar example can be seen with the demise of Twitter under the new owner, which has no safeguards or guardrails - anyone who opposed him is gone and we can see in what state it is now.

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Post by PlattypusRex »

Drakim wrote: post #549
PlattypusRex wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The net result was positive in that new jobs were created for every farming job lost, as people moved to cities. If AI replaces millions of jobs, it will be a net negative in job availability for working class people. I agree with your last point, the way the system is set up is incompatible with the looming future.

The jobs in the cities weren't created by the new farming techniques though, those new farming techniques only removed jobs by the millions like you are saying AI might do.

I didn't say they were created by new farming techniques, I said new jobs in general were created by increased urbanization, which was partially fed by agricultural innovations over time. For example, Jethro Tull's seed drill (1701) enabled sowing seeds in neat rows, which eliminated the jobs of "broadcast seeders" (actual title). If you lost your farming job due to automation, you could move to the city to feed your family.

There is no similar net creation of jobs for society if jobs are eliminated by AI, and it's even worse than that because many of the jobs are specialized, high-skill positions that can't be transferred to other careers easily. It goes without saying that it also includes millions of low-skill jobs like cashiers, stockers, data entry, CS reps, etc. Generally people who are already struggling to get enough hours and feed their families as it is.

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by matt3210 »

thesurlydev wrote: post #278

I can't help but wonder if things would be different if Sam Altman wasn't allowed to come back to OpenAI. Instead, the safeguards are gone, challengers have left the company, and the bottom line is now the new priority. All in opposition to ushering in AI advancement with the caution and respect it deserves.

The bottom line was always the priority.

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Post by halJordan »

throwup238 wrote: post #352

I’m confused by this news story and the response here. No one seems to understand OpenAI’s corporate structure or non profits at all. My understanding: OpenAI follows the same model Mozilla does. The nonprofit has owned a for-profit corporation called OpenAI Global, LLC that pays taxes on any revenue that isn’t directly in service of their mission (in a very narrow sense based on judicial precedent) since 2019 [1]. I…

It isnt a tax thing or a money thing, its a control and governance thing.

The board of the non-profit fired Altman and then Altman (& MS) rebelled, retook control, & gutted the non-profit board. Then, they stacked the new non-profit board with Altman/MS loyalists and now they're discharging the non-profit.

It's entirely about control. The board has a legally enforceable duty to its charter. That charter is the problem Altman is solving.

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by lyu07282 »

thesurlydev wrote: post #278

I can't help but wonder if things would be different if Sam Altman wasn't allowed to come back to OpenAI. Instead, the safeguards are gone, challengers have left the company, and the bottom line is now the new priority. All in opposition to ushering in AI advancement with the caution and respect it deserves.

It was always a bit too optimistic to think we will be cautiously developing AGI, in a way it's not so bad that this happened so soon rather than later after it progressed much further. (I mean in theory we could understand to do something about it now.)

Although I guess it doesn't really matter. What if we all understood climate change earlier? wouldn't really have made a difference anyway

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by [deleted] »

throwup238 wrote: post #437
seizethecheese wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Decoupling” is such a strange euphemism for removing an asset worth north of $100b from a nonprofit.

OpenAI Global LLC is the $100b asset. It’s not being removed, the nonprofit will still own all the shares it owns now until it decides to sell.

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