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Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by kelseyfrog »

WalterBright wrote: post #508
jimbokun wrote: post #369

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> * Women, who make up 41% of the Tech Guild, earn 12% less on average than men > * Black women and Hispanic or Latina women, who make up just over 6 percent of the Tech Guild, make 33% less than white men in the unit > * Black workers, who make up 7 percent of the union, earn 26% less than white workers Do they work equivalent jobs with equivalent experience?

> Women, who make up 41% of the Tech Guild, earn 12% less on average than men Such statistics are meaningless without more context. For example, are women over-represented in entry level positions? Do they work the same hours? the same overtime? And so forth. Articles that present such statistics are pushing propaganda.

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Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by fatbird »

WalterBright wrote: post #546
fatbird wrote: post #540

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Honeywell, for one, with whom I worked for eight years. It's incomprehensible, the wasted money I saw, easily reaching to billions over the same time frame. The difference is that you hear about large gov't spending initiatives, but not about those from Fortune 100s, whose incentives are to hide such inefficiencies and waste in their required reporting. Enron. Boeing Starliner. Coke wasting $2B on a failed rollout of…

The pandemic relief funds come to mind. https://www.gao.gov/blog/more-fraud-has-been-found-federal-c... Googling for "corruption us government" provides endless examples. I remember reading about the disappearance of vast sums of government money sent to help the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Your example is fraud, not corruption, meaning parties external to the gov't are the guilty parties, not gov't employees. Corruption is carried out by insiders.

I'm not saying there's no corruption in the public sector. I'm saying it's not a given that it's greater than in the private sector, and asking for comparative data.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by mtalantikite »

golergka wrote: post #404
mtalantikite wrote: post #149

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Just a quick look, here's one that plays into the mainstream narrative that Hamas is hiding out in hospitals and schools and therefore it's understandable to bomb them: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/world/middleeast/airstrik...

That's just a fact, its not a matter of opinion or leaning.

Regardless of whether or not Hamas is hiding out amongst civilians, those civilians are still entitled to human rights protections under international law. The comment section on that article says it all; a bunch of people largely agreeing that it's the Palestinians fault they are getting killed in their shelters.

But that is tangential to the discussion in this thread, which is that the NY Times is leftist. It's not. It, along with most of it's readership, is your typical establishment news organization in the US. Nothing status-quo shaking coming out of the NY Times.

Here's a quick search on how a leftist publication covered something like the bombing of al-Shifa hospital: https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propagan...

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by Alupis »

Spooky23 wrote: post #545
Alupis wrote: post #531

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So what's been stopping African companies/government from exploiting their own natural resources for all of these years? "Corporate greed" is a fun slogan, but means nothing in reality. In the few areas where the government is exploiting its own natural resources (instead of outsiders), the working and living conditions are not inherently better. If it worked that way, all of the middle east and large areas of Africa…

Colonial and post-colonial intervention. Control of the resources or territory wasn’t magically delivered to the people with equity. The colonial infrastructure of control was turned over to local friendly interests and their successors. (Through revolutions, coups, etc)

So what's stopping these countries today?

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by IncreasePosts »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #506
IncreasePosts wrote: post #491

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Of course people with other skin color are also affected by poverty, or whatever it means to be a have-not, why wouldn't they be? I didn't say the focus must be on skin color. I'm saying to disregard why certain groups are represented in the haves/have-nots, you must ignore history. I don't believe you're arguing in good faith if you think point out that racism exists/existed, and you call that "racism shit"

I called your argument "this racism shit" since you're trying to argue how some people today are poor because of events from 150 years ago and not do to their own actions or inactions. That would be like me blaming my lack of financial success in life on the Ottoman empire's occupation of my country. How about personal responsibility? How can you blame people you've never met and who are long dead for why you're poor…

Interesting. I wonder what could be the cause that a certain minority culture doesn't value education highly?

Go out on a limb, what could it possibly be.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by salmonfamine »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #551
WalterBright wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Women, who make up 41% of the Tech Guild, earn 12% less on average than men Such statistics are meaningless without more context. For example, are women over-represented in entry level positions? Do they work the same hours? the same overtime? And so forth. Articles that present such statistics are pushing propaganda.

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How is this sea-lioning? The evidence being requested is highly pertinent to the discussion.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by resource_waste »

kryogen1c wrote: post #537
umvi wrote: post #475

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If you read books from the early 1900s (Radium Girls, Rocket Boys, Seabiscuit), it's painfully obvious to see how incredibly exploitative industries can become (literally working people to death) without something like a union to check corporate greed against worker well-being. It's a fine balance though. Unions are organizations very similar to companies and can fall victim to the same sins as exploitative companies…

> it's painfully obvious to see how incredibly exploitative industries can become (literally working people to death) without something like a union to check corporate greed against worker well-being. I don't think the missing mechanism is unions, I think it's an aggressive monopoly-busting government. What we're talking about is an industry outstrippinng it's competition and harming people - basically the definition…

>Totally free markets are self destructive. Well regulated free markets are the greatest driving force for human quality of life we've found.

Pretty sure limited liability exists in every 'totally free market' you are pointing to. That isnt really a free market, that's a government giving an enormous generous power to owners that is kind of a legal oddity.

Why does the owner of a corporation not have to pay for damages? Why is it limited to the assets of the corporation?

I wonder how careful companies would be if the owners and stockholders could lose their entire fortune and go into personal debt when they are caught poisoning the air that affects 500,000 people.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by remram »

shagie wrote: post #186
hungie wrote: post #175

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If you want the Union's opinion, their strike demands are the place to look. If you want my opinion, what you've described would be a start. Or at least the workers there should be parties to a decision on whether that's the right decision. I'd consider lowering executive compensation as well. But there's many ways to achieve a balance within an organization that benefits the product and the workers.

> If you want the Union's opinion, their strike demands are the place to look. https://www.axios.com/2024/09/10/nyt-tech-union-strike-vote > The New York Times Tech Guild, which represents more than 600 staffers, on Tuesday voted to authorize a strike in protest of stalled contract negotiations with The Times' management, sources confirmed to Axios. I haven't found anything else. While stalled contract negotiations w…

https://www.nyguild.org/post/new-york-times-tech-guild-votes...

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Post by insane_dreamer »

bad_user wrote: post #487
umvi wrote: post #475

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If you read books from the early 1900s (Radium Girls, Rocket Boys, Seabiscuit), it's painfully obvious to see how incredibly exploitative industries can become (literally working people to death) without something like a union to check corporate greed against worker well-being. It's a fine balance though. Unions are organizations very similar to companies and can fall victim to the same sins as exploitative companies…

It should also be painfully obvious that, during those times, the alternative — subsistence agriculture — was much worse, and people working in factories no longer starved. The industrial revolution, AKA "greed", has ended starvation and slavery, so when socialists of late 1800s or early 1900s talk of exploitation, that should raise an eyebrow. Unions are not similar to companies because they don't compete on the fre…

> The industrial revolution, AKA "greed", has ended starvation and slavery,

it was not the industrial revolution that ended either starvation or slavery

> Unions are not similar to companies because they don't compete on the free market. For this reason, much like all state-funded institutions, unions are much more prone to corruption.

Firstly, unions are not state-funded institutions, and secondly, it seems you don't understand how unions function.

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