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Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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> The line to draw is 10 years to commercialize, and then release into public domain. Statute of Anne was 14 years ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Anne ), but 10 is better for today's age. I'd vote for politicians who push for laws like this. Sadly none do.

Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technolibertarianism

At least here the pirate party focuses more on green and far left politics than digital freedom these days.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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If they're selling an ebook, I'm pretty sure that counts as in-print. You don't have to finance that. We don't need to kill trees to read, just like at one point we stopped killing goats to read. > That's why current copyright status should be the bar --- that or granted permission from the copyright holder. Copyright terms are nearly infinite at this point.

Some were pushing for it to be literally infinite. Mary Bono, speaking to the House of Representatives: > "Actually, Sonny wanted the term of copyright protection to last forever. I am informed by staff that such a change would violate the Constitution. I invite all of you to work with me to strengthen our copyright laws in all of the ways available to us. As you know, there is also Jack Valenti's proposal for term t…

> As you know, there is also Jack Valenti's proposal for term to last forever less one day.

The absolute contempt for the constituion required to even propose this is stunning.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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If they're selling an ebook, I'm pretty sure that counts as in-print. You don't have to finance that. We don't need to kill trees to read, just like at one point we stopped killing goats to read. > That's why current copyright status should be the bar --- that or granted permission from the copyright holder. Copyright terms are nearly infinite at this point.

Life plus 70 is scarcely "nearly infinite", and since Disney didn't try to extend the Sonny Bono copyright extension so as to keep "Steamboat Willie" in copyright, this doesn't seem likely to change. It's also the result of an international consensus: http://copyright.nova.edu/copyright-duration/

Life plus 70 years means the things you grew up with will most likely be never released in your lifetime. It's really not that far from an infinite term in the effect it has.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Do you have any data to back that up? Wouldn’t something being highly pirated indicate that there’s a lot of interest in a reprint?

When _Traditional Archery from Six Continents_ went out of print, the price quickly got to 4 digits (feedback loop from Amazon pricing algorithms), so I put up the money for a second print run --- before I picked up the printed copies someone put up an illicit, unauthorized PDF copy --- it took several years for me to sell out the print run and get my living room closet back.

Sounds like you could have just put up a PDF copy yourself.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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> And even when IA temporarily stopped limiting the number of loans to provide emergency access to books during the pandemic—which could be considered a proxy for publishers' fear that IA's lending could pose a greater threat if it became much more widespread—IA's expert "found no evidence of market harm." I feel that IA erred very badly in lifting the one-to-one correspondence that is at the heart of "controlled dig…

The main error here was embracing DRM in the first place.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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All you said was “You cannot make money off of people who are starving.” Yes you can, by coercing them in various legal and illegal ways. Your original comment was just the one quoted sentence above. It is not correct.

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And in a truly free market you can buy unicorns because both only exist in fantasy land. In reality there is always some government rules involved that shape the market.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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They're undercutting us by virtue of labor standards and other corners that we don't cut.

The USA cuts corners on labor standards for more than a century, but Europeans are Ok with that. The same logic applies, Europeans get a lot of their products and services from a country that has little to no safety nets for their workers, so by buying from USA, Europeans are funding their own demise.

The EU sould also strive for more independence from US corporations, yes, especially the silicon valley ones. Having entire governments depend on Microsoft is a problem.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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post #424

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> If Star Trek Replicators were invented today, we're so stupid we'd outlaw them. History shows the labor unions and leftists would also be against replicators. We see that today with how people are very against AI advancements that would put artists out of jobs, they would rather halt progress than lose their jobs. Of course corporations that stand to lose out are also against it, but don't kid yourself labor moveme…

> History shows the labor unions and leftists would also be against replicators. Only because the rich would exploit the replicators and would leave everyone else in the dust starving. Nobody would have a problem with it, if you could survive on them.

Exactly. If AI would free you from having to work to survive there would be a lot less opposition. But it doesn't while taking away some of the better options for said work from some people.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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post #275

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The country that allowed replicators would be no.1 fairly quickly

>The country that allowed replicators would be no.1 fairly quickly No.1 in jobless, fat and addicted peoples. You need the full Star Trek experience/mindset before you introduce unlimited everything. Also the first thing that would be produced are weapons, drugs and food....and everything sex.

Because everyone with a disposable income today is an overweight druggie bent on blasting their neighbor's head off?
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