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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by navjack27 »

ydnaclementine wrote: post #76
herf wrote: post #58

It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

Does Recall run entirely locally? I don't think your browser history gets sent out

My browser history does. It's synchronized with every edge instance that I have running. I can open up the tabs from my mobile browser on my desktop and I could see the browser history from everything on everything.

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Post by antifa »

skywhopper wrote: post #395
immibis wrote: post #366

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This isn't excessive abstraction - this is just different abstraction. Files and folders are a human invention, and there's no law of nature forcing us to continue using them. It's like complaining about people forgetting how to use MS-DOS commands, when Windows (until PowerShell) was built on GUIs through and through and MS-DOS commands were only still there for compatibility. You don't have to learn MS-DOS command…

Nah. The files and folders still exist on all of these systems. So hiding them away is actually more abstraction, not “different” abstraction. UX prognosticators have been preaching for decades that anything that computer users find confusing should simply be hidden. Not made more clear, or easier to use, but just papered over so users can no longer identify a specific thing to complain about. It’s just like the weir…

Feels like a conspiracy to force power users to experience software the way noob users experience computers in general.

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

Timber-6539 wrote: post #500
disqard wrote: post #474

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I'll take a shot (not at MS, so I have no inside info). GenAI is hotter than anything else right now. As Satya publicly stated, "we made them dance" -- which shows how high-priority it is to maximize "AI innovation" at MS. If you disagree, think about how badly "Tay" blew up in MS's face and yet they still went ahead and bundled OpenAI LLM tech into all of Office365, just so they could have bragging rights about beat…

You are absolutely right. This AI race has been sort of funny to watch among the big tech incumbents. Google kept on launching faked demos and hurriedly released an openly race biased image generator all in a bid to catch up with OpenAI. Meanwhile Apple has been sort of lethargic. Recently annouced a deal with OpenAI to add GPT to their devices. They seem happy to continue playing catch up in this regard. I think Met…

Apple, as it exists now, is not much an innovator. They don't need to be. They can release improved versions of the products everyone already has. Best not to mess with that by introducing half-assed tech that breaks the user experience. Wait till its matured a bit then release a smooth and polished apple version.

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Post by viraptor »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #506
Timber-6539 wrote: post #500

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You are absolutely right. This AI race has been sort of funny to watch among the big tech incumbents. Google kept on launching faked demos and hurriedly released an openly race biased image generator all in a bid to catch up with OpenAI. Meanwhile Apple has been sort of lethargic. Recently annouced a deal with OpenAI to add GPT to their devices. They seem happy to continue playing catch up in this regard. I think Met…

Note that Meta aren't trying to sell AI services to most people (with the exception of advertisers, for whom it kinda makes sense). Much easier to avoid messing up, given this.

Llama 3 is available and in your face when you open WhatsApp these days. They're very much trying to get everyone to tell them / the AI their secrets.

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Post by appplication »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #553
Timber-6539 wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are absolutely right. This AI race has been sort of funny to watch among the big tech incumbents. Google kept on launching faked demos and hurriedly released an openly race biased image generator all in a bid to catch up with OpenAI. Meanwhile Apple has been sort of lethargic. Recently annouced a deal with OpenAI to add GPT to their devices. They seem happy to continue playing catch up in this regard. I think Met…

Apple, as it exists now, is not much an innovator. They don't need to be. They can release improved versions of the products everyone already has. Best not to mess with that by introducing half-assed tech that breaks the user experience. Wait till its matured a bit then release a smooth and polished apple version.

I think this is for the better. I’ve been using LLMs pretty regularly lately for some side projects, and they’re interesting but they’re not particularly nice products. I’m not aware of anyone who has a legitimately polished offering. There’s definitely a lot to the tech, but the signal to noise on essentially every model I’ve tried is far below normal standards for feature reliability and quality.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

filleduchaos wrote: post #527
thaumasiotes wrote: post #475

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It sounds like you're mostly just confused about how web pages work. Here is the URL of an image as it appears in your browser history: https://cheezburger.com/10357071872/if-i-fits-i-sits See if you can figure out what image I was looking at.

That's not the URL of a static image, that's the URL of a web page that happens to have a static image as the only content of worth in it and puts the description of said image in the URL. Calling it the URL of an image seems to me like quite a bit of confusion about how web pages work.

That all depends. Is "1835 73rd Ave NE" Bill Gates' address, or would it be more natural to call it the address of his house?

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #451

What's funny about this and other "recalls" (pun intended) of "products" from so-called "tech" companies as a result of "feedback", or "backlash" as Wired calls it, is that the companies never asked for such input and AFAIK no one is contacting the companies to give it. AFAICT it is obtained through surveillance. To people born after the internet this might seem normal, but to me it is quite odd. The companies claim…

If there was an HN commenter with a username taken from a DOS batch file who complains about game console surveillance, then would it be safe to conclude this might be a non-enterprise Windows user.

A reply about tangible products that people can choose to purchase or choose not to purchase is not a response to the comment I am making. These are examples of conscious choices, coupled with payment.

With few exceptions, non-enterprise Windows users are not consciously choosing to purchase a Windows license. They are choosing to purchase a computer. The decision to purchase a Windows license was made by the OEM. If we ask these computer purchasers what they bought, they are likely to describe a tangible product, e.g., "I bought a computer", not a license to use an operating system.

If something is wrong with the computer, then the purchaser can generally contact the seller/manufacturer for redress. But when the problem is with Windows, consumers generally do not contact Microsoft. Instead they complain into the ether.

Good luck enforcing warranties or products liability laws against Microsoft with respect to a free copy of non-enterprise Windows that was pre-installed on a computer. Windows can be broken six ways to Sunday, it can be a defective "product", and Microsoft can take its time fixing the problems, or even just leave them as is.

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Post by sqeaky »

wvenable wrote: post #410
sqeaky wrote: post #402

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Why would someone trust microsoft on security?

HN is a weird place. 95% of the world runs on Microsoft technology to some degree. (95% also runs on Linux to some degree as well)

Yeah, and places I work with ms stuff keep getting hacked (big important stuff) and leaking stuff and places with linux, or anything else as, far as I can tell don't. Or ar least not in the same number or quantity.

I have never seen a crypto locker ransomware on a server except for windows servers. I haven't seen another OS with ads. So many terroble things happen only in the windows/ms ecosystem that it really makes me wonderhow it sticks around but I have ideas about that and they will just make you think I am wierd.

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