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Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by jeanlucas »

e_i_pi_2 wrote: post #539
DalasNoin wrote: post #414

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There goes the so called superalignment: Ilya Jan Leike William Saunders Leopold Aschenbrenner All gone

Relying on specific people was never a good strategy, people will change but this will be a good test of their crazy governance structure. I think of it similar to political systems - if it can't withstand someone fully malicious getting in power then it's not a good system

Same applies to Sam Altman as well? Thing felt like a cult when he was forced out and everyone threatened to resign.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by DalasNoin »

fhd2 wrote: post #495

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but the phrase "So long, and thanks for everything" used in the tweet reminds me of "So long, and thanks for all the fish" from the dolphins in The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. The background there is that dolphins are secretly more intelligent than humans, and are leaving Earth without them when its destruction is imminent (something the humans don't see coming). I did once leav…

In that metaphor, is openai the humans or are actual humans the humans? So is openai about to be destroyed or humanity?

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Post by chx »

nabla9 wrote: post #447
zoogeny wrote: post #362

Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show. I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

> When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world,

that won't happen, the next scam will be different

it was crypto until FTX collapsed then the usual suspects led by a16z leaned on OpenAI to rush whatever they had on market hence the odd naming of ChatGPT 3.5.

When the hype is finally realized to be just mass printing bullshit -- relevant bullshit, yes, which sometimes can be useful but not billions of dollars of useful -- there will be something else.

Same old, same old. The only difference is there is no new catchy tunes. Yet? https://youtu.be/I6IQ_FOCE6I https://locusmag.com/2023/12/commentary-cory-doctorow-what-k...

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by bkishan »

fhd2 wrote: post #495

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but the phrase "So long, and thanks for everything" used in the tweet reminds me of "So long, and thanks for all the fish" from the dolphins in The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. The background there is that dolphins are secretly more intelligent than humans, and are leaving Earth without them when its destruction is imminent (something the humans don't see coming). I did once leav…

I spotted the reference, but did not think this deep lol. You have a point here.

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Post by ionwake »

sk11001 wrote: post #525
pcurve wrote: post #421

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Resignations lead to more resignations....unless mgmt. can get on top of it and remedy it quickly, which rarely happens. I've seen it happen way too many times working 25 years in tech.

This might not be bad from the perspective of the remaining employees, it might be that the annoying people are leaving the room.

Or that just the aggressive snakes are left.

I have no idea I’m saying I’ve seen that happen in companies.

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Post by pquki4 »

threatofrain wrote: post #429
langsoul-com wrote: post #416

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Why would anyone start the game on hard mode when easy mode is a border drive away? Us is so outrageously better than the rest that people fly across oceans to start businesses there. Canada, being next door, doesn't have the distance moat to at least slow down the brain drain

With regards to talent, there's no particular reason why software centers couldn't be in any major established city in the world. It's not like it takes billions of dollars on a highly uncertain bet like creating a car company, rocket reuse company, or a CPU company. A small crew of people could potentially build the next WhatsApp. On Erlang.

Eh, $$$?

I know people from "first world" countries like Japan and France that are come to work in the US simply because it pays much more.

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Post by langsoul-com »

threatofrain wrote: post #429
langsoul-com wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone start the game on hard mode when easy mode is a border drive away? Us is so outrageously better than the rest that people fly across oceans to start businesses there. Canada, being next door, doesn't have the distance moat to at least slow down the brain drain

With regards to talent, there's no particular reason why software centers couldn't be in any major established city in the world. It's not like it takes billions of dollars on a highly uncertain bet like creating a car company, rocket reuse company, or a CPU company. A small crew of people could potentially build the next WhatsApp. On Erlang.

That statement applies to most industries. Tons of areas have the potential for an industry boom, but silicon Valley in is California. Or semi conductors are in Taiwan.

For many reasons, only some areas succeed whilst the rest fail. In this case, Canada doesn't have silicon valley, nor do they have a high amount of start ups.

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Post by dtech »

huygens6363 wrote: post #537
cm2187 wrote: post #481

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But is it even clear what is the next big leap after LLM? I have the feeling many tend to extrapolate the progress of AI from the last 2 years to the next 30 years but research doesn't always work like that (though improvements in computing power did).

Not saying it’s going to be the same, but I’m sure computing progress looked pretty unimpressive from, say, 1975 to 1990 for the uninitiated. By the 90s they were still mainly used as fancy typewriters by “normal” people (my parents, school, etc) although the ridiculous potential was clear from day one. It just took a looong time to go from pong to ping and then to living online. I’m still convinced even this stage i…

mobile internet and smartphones were the real gamechanger here, which were definitely not linear.

They became viable in the 2000's, let's say 2007 with the iPhone, and by late 2010's everyone was living online, so "decades" is a stretch.

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Post by wasteduniverse »

golergka wrote: post #504
cm2187 wrote: post #484

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If you extend the window a little bit, along Yes Minister, Idiocracy and Demolition Man (the last two being a documentary of our time filmed 20y ago).

> Idiocracy I definitely enjoyed this movie, and it's understandable that people of any era, starting with ancient Greece, enjoy lamenting at how stupid people are becoming. However, as long as videos explaining quantum physics and 4-hour long interviews with historians and engineers are still one of the most popular kinds of content on Youtube, I would suggest that it's not a documentary, at least not yet.

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