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Re: This is a teenager

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post #534

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I guess what we learn from this is that not everyone is as enterprising as you? While on some level I’d say that, of course you can do it if you want to. There’s many people for whom that is just too much of a leap, and it feels unfair to say they don’t deserve happiness just because they can’t make themselves seek it.

> it feels unfair to say they don’t deserve happiness just because they can’t make themselves seek it While I’d agree, you’ve read the OP’s comment in a significantly darker light than I did, or than I can get the text to support

Ah, I wasn’t necessarily trying to imply anything about OP’s post.

Just that what worked for him might not work for many others. I’m still happy to hear he did ;)

Re: This is a teenager

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The person in the story might has well have been me - I repeated 7th grade - Was suspended Multiple times - Lived in 11 different houses - Lived with a teacher for two months - Good friend murdered - Mom of good friend murdered by their Father - Gnarly parents divorce with police etc regularly I joined the AF because I read a book about John Boyd and figured I could pursue technology that I saw in the movies so I got…

I mean you did join a government organization that provided a (more or less) guaranteed job and training. Also, this is a genuine question, how much of the chaos in your life was due to financial hardship? Do you think just having more money would have lessened the chaos?

It’s far from a guaranteed anything actually but I understand your point that we can have a robust government that is useful as a bridge to the middle class - and that’s exactly what it is in a lot of cases

Impossible to tell unfortunately but it doesn’t seem like it in my case

Re: This is a teenager

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I'd like to share some of my experiences on this topic.

Growing up, I faced several adversities. My parents divorced when I was young, and I lived with my mother until the age of 13. Unfortunately, my mother struggled with alcoholism, often bringing friends over, even during my early school years. However, in hindsight, I believe she deeply missed my father and coped with her pain through drinking. Despite her struggles, I know she loved me.

Life became even more challenging when my stepfather entered the picture. I endured multiple school absences due to injuries like broken noses and ribs. Eventually, I reached a breaking point and called my real father, expressing my desire to live with him. One day, I left my mother's home and never returned.

Transitioning to life with my father brought new dynamics, including a stepmother and stepbrother. While our financial situation improved, a different form of abuse emerged, one that was emotional and insidious. I often found myself unfairly blamed and punished for things I hadn't done. Despite evidence implicating my stepbrother, I was consistently scapegoated. To extended family and relatives, I became the problem child, while my stepbrother was seen as an angel. My stepmother's behavior shifted when my father was present, exacerbating the emotional turmoil.

My academic performance suffered, contrasting sharply with my previous success under my mother's care. I developed a video game addiction, became extremely thin and struggled with dissociative identity disorder, challenges that persisted into my university years and adulthood.

Despite graduating with a GPA of 2.7 and needing an extra year to complete university, I was able to secure a job, thanks to the kindness of the people I met during an internship. I faced numerous exam retakes due to heavy gaming. Financial stability, facilitated by my father, spared me from experiencing poverty and enabled my education. Now, at 26, I'm married with a baby on the way in May. I'm determined to provide unwavering love and support to my child and wife, drawing from my own experiences of feeling blamed and unloved.

Reflecting on my past, I regret leaving my mother's home. A mother's love is irreplaceable, transcending monetary value. However, I don't blame anyone except myself. In conclusion, I might have been an unlikable and unlovable brat, often inciting displeasure and animosity. On top of that, loving a stepchild is undoubtedly challenging. Yet, I believe that surviving abuse and adversity can catalyze personal growth in ways we may not immediately perceive. Most importantly, it's crucial to have someone who loves you, whether it's a significant other, partner, or friend, especially if you're unable to find that love and support within your own home.

Re: This is a teenager

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post #539

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It doesn't shock me that there's anti-US propaganda. It shocks me that people on this site routinely fall for it.

I think it’s more that we routinely see very poor and mentally ill people in the US get zero support? It’s not a great stretch to go from there to assume they don’t have any social security at all. If it’s available but many people cannot or do not know to make use of it, is it really social security? If they do make use of it and it’s still not enough, does that change things?

It's a nation of ~360-370 million people including undocumented.

Have you seen the horrific conditions the poorest people of Europe 'survive' in? The ghettos of Eastern Europe are every bit as bad as the worst areas of Baltimore or St Louis. The bad areas in and around Paris are hyper minority poverty with zero upward mobility and extreme unemployment problems (thus the annual large riots). People in rural Western Russia live in third world conditions on $20-$30 per month; they live like nothing has improved in a century. To say nothing of the Ukraine war, which is now part of their living condition (for Ukraine and Russia). You realize how poor Moldova or North Macedonia are? The level of education and outcomes among the bottom 20% of Europe is every bit as bad as the bottom 20% in the US.

It's exceptionally difficult to provide a median (or median+) first world outcome to so many, perhaps impossible.

Re: This is a teenager

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$1000/month is $12,000/year. Thats far far below poverty levels. It needs to be enough that people can choose to supplement in order to engage with luxury consumption. If people are forced to supplement to just survive, then we need to maintain the minimum wage and a whole host of other weird baggage.

The 2024 FPL figure is $15060 + 5380 per additional person family member past the first. $12k/head/year comes up a bit short for an individual, but it's not that far off—expenses involved in holding down a job probably actually account for the difference anyway. It also becomes clearly tenable with households of more than 1. Supporting a family of 2-3 on $24k-36k is like, yep, I've met married international grad stud…

The goal can't be to solve every desperation case. But if the program wouldn't allow individuals living in dangerous and exploitative situations to confidently leave them (financially) Id argue the program was a failure

Re: This is a teenager

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Those safety nets have huge gaps. The government doesn't want to be accused of harboring freeloaders (or, perhaps more accurately, a significant chunk of the population would rather people be homeless than a few "welfare queens" be permitted to cheat the system), so many who are genuinely in need can't get it.

That’s true of most rich countries. The big difference between the US and most rich countries is universal healthcare.

That is a very, very big difference.

Re: This is a teenager

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post #534

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I guess what we learn from this is that not everyone is as enterprising as you? While on some level I’d say that, of course you can do it if you want to. There’s many people for whom that is just too much of a leap, and it feels unfair to say they don’t deserve happiness just because they can’t make themselves seek it.

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It's as if you're responding to a different comment than the OP. GP talks about dealing with many years of hardship, no food, losing their house and car, and so on. Tolerating that and coming out stronger doesn't seem like doing "the bare minimum" to me.

Re: This is a teenager

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post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't shock me that there's anti-US propaganda. It shocks me that people on this site routinely fall for it.

I think it’s more that we routinely see very poor and mentally ill people in the US get zero support? It’s not a great stretch to go from there to assume they don’t have any social security at all. If it’s available but many people cannot or do not know to make use of it, is it really social security? If they do make use of it and it’s still not enough, does that change things?

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Re: This is a teenager

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those safety nets have huge gaps. The government doesn't want to be accused of harboring freeloaders (or, perhaps more accurately, a significant chunk of the population would rather people be homeless than a few "welfare queens" be permitted to cheat the system), so many who are genuinely in need can't get it.

That’s true of most rich countries. The big difference between the US and most rich countries is universal healthcare.

Life and death kinda difference innit

Re: This is a teenager

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What's missing here -- and in most of social sciences -- is the realization that adverse events is itself a product of genetics, and bad social outcomes are only weakly mediated through those events. Genetics is most of the story here and, although it's a depressing narrative, I'm sick of seeing people push a narrative that is not based on facts.

WTF? You are the product of your genetics AND your life experience. If anything, I've always felt that the latter, not the former, is the dominant factor. Granted, there are other biological factors apart from genetics that may disadvantage you at birth (e.g. exposure to alcohol / drugs / tobacco before birth). But to suggest that genetics is "most of the story" in determining your lifelong socioeconomic success, I f…

> I find to be absurd

It's not intuitive, but it's what decades of behavioral genetics studies say. Adoptees have much stronger correlations with their biological parents than with the parents that adopted them (in all socially meaningful metrics: intelligence, income, etc.). Monozygotic twins correlate much stronger than dizygotic twins, etc.

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