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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by _v7gu »

arccy wrote: post #506
_v7gu wrote: post #480

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What political markers? IST is in Europe, and SAW is not. We are talking about airports in continents.

is turkey culturally aligned with europe? not really. actual continents are too big, that's why in news you get more detailed breakdowns into areas like middle-east

Turkey is culturally aligned with lots of places thanks to its history and geography. Aegean Turkey and Greece shares cuisine, tradition and even folk songs. Tends to happen after living together for hundreds of years.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by ghaff »

klausa wrote: post #521
dboreham wrote: post #496

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For anyone doing travel planning based on reading here: often your best option is actually a bus (coach). This is because although they're slow, they go straight to many major hotels in the city. This removes the need to negotiate the subway with luggage or deal with Tokyo's idiosyncratic taxis while jetlagged.

For anyone looking for actual pro-move here: pack what you need for the next day or two in the carry-on, and ship your heavy luggage to the hotel, and then take the fastest train you can afford to get where you’re going. Some of the Japans biggest shipping companies (I’ve personally only used Kuroneko Yamato; but I’m pretty sure others do this too) will pick up your luggage from the airport, and deliver it to your ro…

Or just pack lighter if you can.

Trains are great in general. They also tend to be a poor fit for anything much more than carry-on. I've done it and managed but it's better not to if you can.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by ghaff »

dukeyukey wrote: post #512
throwway120385 wrote: post #492

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Hiking gear.

Isn't a big thing about hiking, that you want to hike as light as possible?

Yes, but presumably the hiking involves different gear from the rest of your trip. And certainly backpacking does. It wouldn't be 4 big bags in general but would almost certainly involve checked luggage. (You can't even bring hiking poles in carry-on.)

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by thechao »

blamazon wrote: post #39
po wrote: post #30

If you fly into Tokyo you might come in via Narita Airport (NRT) which is actually quite a distance out from tokyo. Violence is extremely uncommon in modern Japan but NRT was the site of violent resistance over several decades. Opposition forces killed several police officers, rioted on several occasions and constructed a giant 200 ft tower to interfere with test flights. Hundreds of acts of vandalism have occurred o…

The next couple airports in Japan to be built were built over water on artificial islands: Kansai International: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai_International_Airport Kobe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Airport Kitakyushu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitakyushu_Airport Chubu International: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubu_Centrair_International_A...

I flew into Kansai in 2003(?), with a J-rail foreigner pass and fell asleep on the Shinkansen (which I wasn't supposed to be on). 9 hours & ~1100 miles of train rides later I ended up at my buddy's place in Tokushima. It cost 110 yen, locally.

That was the first time I appreciated how hard it is to navigate the modern world if you're illiterate.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by klausa »

ghaff wrote: post #552
klausa wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone looking for actual pro-move here: pack what you need for the next day or two in the carry-on, and ship your heavy luggage to the hotel, and then take the fastest train you can afford to get where you’re going. Some of the Japans biggest shipping companies (I’ve personally only used Kuroneko Yamato; but I’m pretty sure others do this too) will pick up your luggage from the airport, and deliver it to your ro…

Or just pack lighter if you can. Trains are great in general. They also tend to be a poor fit for anything much more than carry-on. I've done it and managed but it's better not to if you can.

I generally agree with you - I spent years flying across the world with a carry-on only and I still miss that lifestyle.

But Japan is the kind of place that people want to bring a whole lot of stuff back - I know a lot of people who basically fly out with empty suitcases and just fill them to the brim with random tchotchkes over here — and hey, whatever makes them happy.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by dylan604 »

ro_sharp wrote: post #547
dylan604 wrote: post #377

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How very 1800s of you. Curious minds wonder what you do to be able to have that kind of time for travel. The amount of time you require in just travel is more than most Americans receive in a year's vacation

> Curious minds wonder what you do to be able to have that kind of time for travel In developed countries outside the US annual multi-week vacations are routine for the middle classes

yes, and in developed countries outside the US, healthcare is something covered by the state. neither of which has anything to do with the discussion at hand. you're comparing an apple to a kumquat.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by ghaff »

klausa wrote: post #555
ghaff wrote: post #552

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Or just pack lighter if you can. Trains are great in general. They also tend to be a poor fit for anything much more than carry-on. I've done it and managed but it's better not to if you can.

I generally agree with you - I spent years flying across the world with a carry-on only and I still miss that lifestyle. But Japan is the kind of place that people want to bring a whole lot of stuff back - I know a lot of people who basically fly out with empty suitcases and just fill them to the brim with random tchotchkes over here — and hey, whatever makes them happy.

Having traveled to Japan quite a bit, I can definitely see that. Though I'm also at the stage of my life where I do not want anything else to enter my house. :-) (And I have quite a bit of stuff from Japan my dad brought back from when he was traveling there a lot.)

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Post by forgingahead »

_delirium wrote: post #339
bombcar wrote: post #241

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That's a key if you want a "rail to plane" setup - if you do it right (read-nobody will do it) you check in for the train with your baggage and your flight at the same time, and give the bags over to a dedicated baggage car that handles everything for you.

Hong Kong recently added this, called In-town Check-in [1]. You can check in and drop your bags at the MTR Hong Kong station when taking the Airport Express. Can even drop off the bags up to a day in advance. Currently only open to Cathay Pacific customers though. [1] https://www.mtr.com.hk/en/customer/services/complom_checkin....

It's not recent - I have been using it since the mid-2000s, it's fantastic. It might have been shut during COVID, and just re-opened though.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by anticensor »

busterarm wrote: post #445
_v7gu wrote: post #353

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Not even that, Istanbul airport is in the top 10 too. Maybe he meant EU? But that’s not really Europe as a whole

Only half of Istanbul is in Europe (yes, the side with the Airport) and the other half and the rest of the country is Anatolia/Asia Minor. Turkey has many of the political markers of being in Europe but is really a unique situation and its leaders like to take the best of being European and not-European where it suits them. Do most people consider it a European country? Doubtful. I've never known any Turks who consid…

Both sides of Istanbul have airports, yes, airports.
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