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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by dang »

kube-system wrote: post #506

A piece of information in this article which is not in that article: > The family says Barnett's health declined because of the stresses of taking a stand against his longtime employer. > "He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing," they said, "which we believe led to his death."

(This comment was originally a reply to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39682698 but we merged that thread hither. So when it says "this article" it means https://www.npr.org/2024/03/12/1238033573/boeing-whistleblow..., not the link at the top of the current thread.)

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by dang »

falsandtru wrote: post #262
dang wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a technical article. It's a lurid media topic* about a suspicious-looking alleged suicide with zero information for a substantive discussion, and tons of fuel for sinister speculation. That's not what HN is supposed to be for. However, we can give this one a pass because the ongoing Boeing saga is of interest and there's clearly a community appetite to discuss this development. Edit: even though the thread i…

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Please don't copy-paste comments on HN, and especially not as a way of working around moderation.

If a comment is in some state that you think it shouldn't be, you can ask us to change that and we can at least have a conversation about it, but just reposting it is not ok.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by dang »

arrowsmith wrote: post #543
krapp wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one has claimed that the term "mainstream media" has its origins in far right politics. The claim made upthread is that the term "mainstream media" is a dogwhistle term often employed by the right wing. I will not be providing evidence of that , as ample enough evidence for that can be found easily with a simple internet search.

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Please make your substantive points without name-calling or swipes (e.g. "absurd and deranged").

This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by krapp »

arrowsmith wrote: post #543
krapp wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one has claimed that the term "mainstream media" has its origins in far right politics. The claim made upthread is that the term "mainstream media" is a dogwhistle term often employed by the right wing. I will not be providing evidence of that , as ample enough evidence for that can be found easily with a simple internet search.

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>First of all: what exactly do you think the term "dogwhistle" means? Are you suggesting that when RWers say "mainstream media", they really mean something else? To what are they referring?

No. In fact, I explicitly said the opposite in my comment. Although the term was popularized by the right wing in reference to their belief in a vast leftist conspiracy controlling all forms of media (the thesis under which Fox News was born and the premise by which it claims to be the only valid news source for the right), obviously not every instance of every right winger using the term uses it within that context. However the context does exist and is often employed in right-wing speech.

But given your tone, the fact that you obviously didn't bother to read my comment in good faith, and your personal insults towards me, I won't be engaging with you or your comment any further.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by [deleted] »

falsandtru wrote: post #351
willis936 wrote: post #338

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Jon Stewart has a crusade against MSM for their role in the US-Iraq War. Is he dogwhistling to the far right when he uses the term?

Knowledge alone is enough to say thank you. There would be no need to be so careful in saying a simple thank you.

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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by falsandtru »

dang wrote: post #552
falsandtru wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Please don't copy-paste comments on HN, and especially not as a way of working around moderation. If a comment is in some state that you think it shouldn't be, you can ask us to change that and we can at least have a conversation about it, but just reposting it is not ok.

I don't know why you start making such belated arguments but the upvotes for that comment indicate that it was much more helpful to the viewer than flagging it to make it unreadable. And it does not avoid any moderation. What moderation was done? Here the flag serves only as censorship. It lacks objectivity and impartiality. Most people can't read what was written, they can only read your argument.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by bookofjoe »

FireBeyond wrote: post #480
alluro2 wrote: post #356

Even if it was a suicide, that still doesn't mean it was self-motivated. People who care enough to be whistleblowers, would likely care enough about wellbeing of their family or other people - enough to sacrifice themselves once again under sufficient threats and pressure. Or, even more likely, end things not because directly being requested to, but because of having no other way to NOT be forced to back out and cowe…

Granted, a movie, but something that portrays this well is The Insider (about big tobacco). Choice quotes: > Mike Wallace: Who are these people? > Lowell Bergman: Ordinary people under extraordinary pressure, Mike. What the hell do you expect? Grace and consistency? And: > Lowell Bergman: I fought for you and I still fight for you! > Jeffrey Wigand: You fought for me? You manipulated me! Into where I am now - staring…

"Silkwood" https://youtu.be/iNyrSR5JGh8?si=pzqfoeC5g_Nm5-cz

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by ecoquant »

throwway120385 wrote: post #474
Bengalilol wrote: post #412

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? I don't get your remark

I think he's saying that you're too willing to believe the reasonable, plausible explanation that falls out of Occam's Razor, as opposed to accepting whatever embattled fringe theory of the day also fits the available evidence.

It is almost like Occam's Razor proposes some type of probability distribution, not discounting the fringe completely but suggesting as a heuristic that the most simple is most likely.

Some people though seem to like this Anti-Occam's Razor that the most complex and interesting explanation is most likely even though they have to know from everyday experience that is simply not true and not how the world works.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by dang »

falsandtru wrote: post #557
dang wrote: post #552

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Please don't copy-paste comments on HN, and especially not as a way of working around moderation. If a comment is in some state that you think it shouldn't be, you can ask us to change that and we can at least have a conversation about it, but just reposting it is not ok.

I don't know why you start making such belated arguments but the upvotes for that comment indicate that it was much more helpful to the viewer than flagging it to make it unreadable. And it does not avoid any moderation. What moderation was done? Here the flag serves only as censorship. It lacks objectivity and impartiality. Most people can't read what was written, they can only read your argument.

Moderation isn't driven by upvotes; it's there to compensate for the failures of the upvoting system. If HN could operate by upvotes alone, that would be great—it would be so much less work. Unfortunately, it can't.

A lot of the things you're complaining about have been established practice on HN for many years. If you want to learn how HN works, I'd be happy to help with that. But it's time that you stopped posting off-topic complaints and trying to stir up drama about these things. 18 of these comments in one thread is quite enough.

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