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Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by red-iron-pine »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #282
lumb63 wrote: post #146

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But also, a bigger alliance creates a larger amount of territory to defend. For example if the US were to leave NATO, they miss out on all the benefits that European NATO members provide, but also would not need to defend Europe, which is where any war involving NATO members is likely to happen. It seems to me that the US gains very little from being in NATO.

the US believes Russia invading more of Europe is not in their interest. I'm not sure why that is hard to understand.

feedin the trolls mon ami, they be shillbots. they be putting out literal russian, like on RT, talking points.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by valval »

renegade-otter wrote: post #108

Being a NATO member gives a nation more security than nuclear weapons, effectively. Nuclear states can and HAVE gone to wars - but no one wants to mess with the devastating conventional power of NATO. After the recent gutting, Russia has a few dozen SU-34s that can fly. NATO has thousands of planes.

Oh yeah, Russia will lose any moment now :D

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by red-iron-pine »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #34
Hamuko wrote: post #14

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Sweden has a pretty solid defense industry. Gripens and NLAWs for example are Swedish production.

Correction: NLAWs are only Swedish designed(SAAB defense) but are production of Thales(a French company) manufactured in Belfast, Northern Ireland(UK), using warheads made by a subsidiary of SAAB in Switzerland. Yes, I'm fun at parties.

The UK was heavily involved in the NLAW development too, IIRC. Not just made in NI but the UK provided a lot of the initial funding along with SAAB.

and boy howdy do those NLAWs work.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by orwin »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #127
dylan604 wrote: post #49

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> the view of the US public on NATO can be seen in any US TV series or Hollywood film - it does not exist. I wouldn't say it doesn't exist. To me, it's always more of that "we'll let you guys muck about until it's totally obvious you're not going to fix it, then we'll ride in to save the day" attitude. Not saying that's accurate, but that's how it's portrayed by Hollywood

What Hollywood film that involves the US military does include NATO militaries? Rewatching SG-1, and of course it's US only.

I've heard that a us tv show about marines or whatever used to include European, Mexican and south American special forces as allies regularly, to add realism in conflict they're not alone in.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by vardump »

nikolay wrote: post #403

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There's no russophobia except in Kremlin's propaganda.

European nations just can't take any chances with aggression and untrustworthiness of the current Russian leadership. That's just common sense. This is nothing against Russian population.

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Post by mulmen »

simion314 wrote: post #469
dralley wrote: post #457

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>3 1945/ww2 I think USA was attacked by Japan, americans did not enter the world to protect Europe, they were forced in the war so they had no choice then to fight their enemies wherever they are. The American strategy in WWII was "Germany First" despite it having been the Japanese that attacked us.

And that strategy was somehow altruistic ? Explain? And explain why waiting to defend "Europe" Anyway we talking about NATO, USA used Art5 and Europeans died for USA, but now Trumpists complain that we are not doing enough and USA will not return the favor

This history on this is well documented. The US was helping the allies before entering the war by providing weapons and resources. Before being attacked the US was isolationist (like “Trumpists”). It took getting punched in the mouth to muster the resolve to join the war. The attack on Pearl Harbor brought the UK to war with Japan and solidified allied resolve.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarations_of_war_during_W...

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by the_why_of_y »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #372
api wrote: post #222

Irony: NATO maybe was considered of questionable necessity before Putin invaded Ukraine to supposedly contain NATO, which ended up being a gigantic ad for NATO. Now it's on track to become the de-facto EU military. Putin is yet another fabulous counterexample for the anti-democracy crowd. He spent hundreds of thousands of Russian lives, hundreds of billions, tons of military hardware, and incurred sanctions to earn..…

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The mythical biolabs are trending again?

https://agora.echelon.pl/notice/AWHLxjJzNg2olbuy3c

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/06/25/ex-soviet-bioweapon...

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by lern_too_spel »

AlGrothendieck wrote: post #472
The_Colonel wrote: post #414

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Before war in Georgia, Putin had a pretty good image in the West. Back then Putin was nowhere near bad as in the recent years. Power corrupts, long time rulers get crazier with time...

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That part of the report has been widely panned. Russia had brokered a ceasefire with separatists in that region in 1992, then placed its own troops there to act as peacekeepers. Putin's gaze lands on Georgia, and he moves more troops border, the separatists blow up a police car two days after joint American-Georgian military exercises, Georgia's military responds, and within hours, Russian tanks are rolling into Georgia. The EU report was clear that Russia's response was out of line.

> The report found no evidence to support Russian allegations that Georgia was carrying out genocide against the South Ossetian population.

> But it said there were "serious indications" of ethnic cleaning against ethnic Georgians in South Ossetia and found Russian forces "would not or could not" stop atrocities by armed groups in areas they controlled.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by mulmen »

simion314 wrote: post #451
dralley wrote: post #421

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>So far Europeans died in USA conflicts around the world , how many conflicts did Europe start and USA had to get involved so far ? Setting aside for a moment the rather large conflict that ended in 1945 - if you're in your late 20s or older, both Libya and Kosovo happened within your lifetime and meet your criteria.

>Setting aside for a moment the rather large conflict that ended in 1945 - if you're in your late 20s or older, both Libya and Kosovo happened within your lifetime and meet your criteria. 1 That was not an Article 5 thing, 2 how many USA soldiers gave their life in Kosovoa? 3 1945/ww2 I think USA was attacked by Japan, americans did not enter the world to protect Europe, they were forced in the war so they had no cho…

> how many USA soldiers gave their life in Kosovoa?

Based on a quick wiki scan looks like two. This accounts for all NATO casualties. No Romanians were killed in Kosovo.

A combined total of 30 Romanians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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