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Post by incognos »

ars wrote: post #313
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #219

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> How is trying to storm a sovereign border peaceful? It’s not. But it’s not grounds for lethal force. Audible warnings, warning shots and non-lethal rounds were the right moves.

Someone trying to invade your country to kill people is not grounds for lethal force? You can't possibly be serious.

Again, what border? between which countries? is there an army on the other side? are you serious? The United States does not recognize the State of Palestine, and therefore there is no border is there? so these people where fenced into an area that is occupied by Israel. If they tried to get out, they were trying to escape their Concentration Camp.

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Post by bjourne »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #445
immibis wrote: post #243

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Unfortunately, everything is politics and politics is inescapable. "Ignoring politics" is also a political action and a political statement.

No it isn't. You are perhaps obligated to take an interest in your own democracy, although that doesn't mean you're obligated to inject it into your workplace and every facet of life. You are by no means obligated to take an interest in wars on other continents. Especially not to subject your poor coworkers to your Gell-Man Amnesia-ridden opinions on it!

> You are by no means obligated to take an interest in wars on other continents.

The Americans who helped stop Hitler would like to have a word with you.

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Post by GordonS »

suslik wrote: post #546
GordonS wrote: post #514

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> I think Egypt has room to take in Palestinian refugees. They simply refuse to do it. I have not gotten any good reason why they hate them. I guess the Lebanese hate their Palestinian enclave. It is clear the Arab world doesn't care about the Palestinians, and a common brotherhood of Islam doesn't carry weight. This is a bad take. Egypt, and others, refuse to take "Palestinian refugees" because doing so would make t…

Why on earth would accepting refugees make them complicit? Is Poland complicit in the Russian attack on Ukraine because they allowed the refugees in?

Because once they leave, Israel won't allow them back.

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Post by incognos »

rakoo wrote: post #253
nsguy wrote: post #115

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That's true but if the UK military intentionally embeds in all UK cities, in civilian clothes, and launches rockets at Russia from those cities, and the UK sends raids into Russia to kill Russians and then retreats and mixes with civilian population in the UK, what do you feel is a legitimate move or tactic by Russia to defend its citizens in this hypothetical situation?

And what if Russia had been colonizing Scotland, then Wales, then half of England, only left disjointed pockets of UK residents not allowed to vote, being watched 24/7, being beaten, harassed and killed by settlers under the watch of Russian army, and then being beaten when going to the funeral of their dead, being robbed of their natural resources, having to go through checkpoints to see their family, London being h…

I wonder if Sir William Wallace, a.k.a. Braveheart, would be considered a Terrorist or a Freedom Fighter. When England invaded and occupied and imposed ridiculous rules on them, should they have not fought back? How about the Potato Famine, how many of you know that this was caused by England INTENTIONALLY by shipping all the food out of Ireland to England. is Sinn Fein a terrorist group still? or were they so named because they fought an occupier?

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Post by bjourne »

YZF wrote: post #433
throwawayhate wrote: post #413

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If you think it is not about punishment or retribution you have not listened to what Israel's own leaders have said.

""I am personally proud of the ruins in Gaza. [...] every baby, even 80 years from now, will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did."

https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1760548502348701804

What the Israelis are doing now is no different from what the Romans did to quell various rebellions, what the British Empire did in their colonies, or what the Nazis did to the Warsaw ghetto after the uprising.

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Post by incognos »

psunavy03 wrote: post #100
phone8675309 wrote: post #57

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> Hamas based their operations where conventional rules of war prohibit fire. This has not stopped the IDF

Protected sites lose their protected status under the law of armed conflict if they are used to hide/support combatants. Agree or disagree with Israel's targeting policies; that's still the law and has been for decades.

But the burden of proof rests on the army that attacks said protected site. They need to show that it hid or supported enemy combatants. And to date, no such proof has been provided. Show me proof of the expansive military complex with their large cache of weapons and hidden combatants and I will gladly shut-up.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by jay-barronville »

bawolff wrote: post #384
hersko wrote: post #125

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Hey Dang, huge fan of HN. How do you reconcile HN's political neutrality and the fact that almost every overtly political story that hits the front page about certain subjects[1] are blatantly biased on one side? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435324

I think part of it is the current situation lends itself to more pro-gaza headlines. For starters the situation is evolving more on that front. Every new action is a potential headline for palestine. On the other hand Israel's position is much more static: They want to prevent the slaughter on oct 7 from happening again, and are using force to do so. That hasn't changed. You can't make new headlines out of it. Its pr…

This isn’t rocket science. Israel has killed more than 13,000 children in less than 5 months. This is only counting the children. That’s almost 4.5 9/11’s in children alone. And our (Americans) taxpayer dollars is helping sponsor these war crimes.

Israel has one of the most advanced military and intelligence apparatuses in the world. And Palestinians are some of the most surveilled humans in the world. Israel knows where they’re dropping the bombs and the demographics of the humans who live there. No amount of gaslighting the international community and unsophisticated normies changes this fact. There’s no excuse for these war crimes and it’s an utter shame that the West, led by America, continue to allow Israel to use the tragic events of October 7th as an excuse to murder innocent Palestinian civilians (most of whom are children).

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

dang wrote: post #24
leereeves wrote: post #16

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If this topic merits discussion on HN, can you do something about the flagging? It seems like someone is flagging every comment to prevent discussion.

Edit: oh, you were asking about comments. In my haste I missed that and thought you were asking about submissions. There are lots of comments in this thread that aren't flagged, so discussion isn't being prevented. It's true that a lot of the earlier comments were flagged, but that was (or should be) because they were flamebait. It's one of the downsides of internet commenting that the flameiest and most reflexive co…

I'm sorry to insist but there are groups here who abuse flagging as a censorship tool to suppress opinions they disagree with.

Anything that goes against the status quo has a high chance of being flagged, I've seen this happen over and over and especially recently.

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Post by incognos »

YZF wrote: post #421
archagon wrote: post #232

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Regardless of any second-order effects, the truth on the ground is that many thousands of innocents are suffering, and I have a hard time seeing any societal configuration where civilians can be legally blown up or starved en masse as anything but immoral. If a terrorist government is embedded in your population centers, it should not be legal to raze those population centers in retribution.

That's true of many wars I think? Doesn't your argument boil down to "wars are not moral"? When the Iraqis and the US were besieging and pounding Mosul, was there a lot of discussion about the suffering of the innocents? Did the US or anyone else air drop supplies to them or send aid trucks into Mosul? Maybe- but I don't recall. Let's not forget that ISIS was thousands of miles from the US and the US was under no dir…

Hamas was elected in 2006. Hamas was initially funded by Israel - yes they are an Israeli creation to weaken the Palestinian Authority. Let that sink in for a minute. Over 50% of Gaza's population was born after this election. Of the remaining, there was barely 40% turnout and Hamas barely won. But yet, you cling to the narrative fed to you that they are all guilty (which means you ascribe to collective punishment - a war crime).

The infrastructure destruction has been going on for decades. Israel routinely destroys Palestinian homes prior to October 7th. Is that Hamas? when they do it in the West Bank where Hamas is not active, is that Hamas too? How about the Thousands of Palestinian Men, Women and Children arrested without charge or trial and help in inhuman detention camps, is that Hamas? or are you maybe just trying to turn a blind eye to the atrocities committed United States political, financial and military support so that you can sleep better at night.... it was Hamas is getting old. At some point you need to wake up and understand that the real boogeyman is Israel. They are not your friend

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Post by zizee »

someotherperson wrote: post #249
zizee wrote: post #127

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Are you saying this war has a higher civilian casualty ratio that other wars? Sadly history shows that civilians have been casualties of war at high rates compared to combatants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio

I don't think they said that it was the highest, they just said "one of." From that list, 2:1 or 3:1 is certainly quite deadly.

The original post made it sound unusual that civilians are dying in such high numbers. It is unfortunately not unusual that civilians die at higher numbers than combatants during war, the opposite is often true.
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