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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by andrewprock »

dpflan wrote: post #246
lkbm wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth remembering that AI is more than LLMs. DeepMind is still doing big stuff: https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/millions-of-new-materi...

Indeed, I would think the core search product as another example of ai/ml...

This does highlight the gap between SOTA and business production. Google search is very often a low quality, even user hostile experience. If Google has all this fantastic technology, but when the rubber hits the road they have no constructive (business supporting) use cases for their search interface, we are a ways away from getting something broadly useful.

It will be interesting to see how this percolates through the existing systems.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by roguas »

dontupvoteme wrote: post #452
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

He's not wrong. DeepMind spends time solving big scientific / large-scale problems such as those in genetics, material science or weather forecasting, and Google has untouchable resources such as all the books they've scanned (and already won court cases about) They do make OpenAI look like kids in that regard. There is far more to technology than public facing goods/products. It's probably in part due to the cultura…

Oh it's good they working on important problems with their ai. Its just openai was working on my/our problems (or providing tools to do so) and that's why people are more excited about them. Not because of cultural differences. If you are more into weather forecasting, yeah it sure may be reasonable to prefer google more.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by supportengineer »

bogwog wrote: post #499
tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

> Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly Reminds me of the Stadia reveal, where the first words out of his mouth were along the lines of "I'll admit, I'm not much of a gamer" This dude needs a new speech writer.

>> This dude needs a new speech writer.

If only there was some technology that could help "generate" such text.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by StevenNunez »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

This demo is blowing my mind! It's really incredible. Can't wait to play around with them.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by risyachka »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

Google literally invented transformers that are at the core of all current AI/LLMs so Sundar's comment is very accurate.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by lossolo »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

> we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies

Actually, they kind of did. What's interesting is that they still only match GPT-4's version but don't propose any architectural breakthroughs. From an architectural standpoint, not much has changed since 2017. The 'breakthroughs', in terms of moving from GPT to GPT-4, included: adding more parameters (GPT-2/3/4), fine-tuning base models following instructions (RLHF), which is essentially structured training (GPT-3.5), and multi-modality, which involves using embeddings from different sources in the same latent space, along with some optimizations that allowed for faster inference and training. Increasing evidence suggests that AGI will not be attainable solely using LLMs/transformers/current architecture, as LLMs can't extrapolate beyond the patterns in their training data (according to a paper from DeepMind last month):

"Together our results highlight that the impressive ICL abilities of high-capacity sequence models may be more closely tied to the coverage of their pretraining data mixtures than inductive biases that create fundamental generalization capabilities."[1]

1. https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.00871

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by z7 »

EZ-E wrote: post #358
milesward wrote: post #136

This demo is nuts: https://youtu.be/UIZAiXYceBI?si=8ELqSinKHdlGlNpX

Out of curiosity I fed ChatGPT 4 a few of the challenges through a photo (unclear if Gemini takes live video feed as input but GPT does not afaik) and it did pretty well. It was able to tell a duck was being drawn at an earlier stage before Gemini did. Like Gemini it was able to tell where the duck should go - to the left path to the swan. Because and I quote "because ducks and swans are both waterfowl, so the swan d…

Tried the crab image. GPT-4 suggested a cat, then a "whale or a similar sea creature".

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by famouswaffles »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #218

Not impressed with the Bard update so far. I just gave it a screenshot of yesterday's meals pulled from MyFitnessPal, told it to respond ONLY in JSON, and to calculate the macro nutrient profile of the screenshot. It flat out refused. It said, "I can't. I'm only an LLM" but the upload worked fine. I was expecting it to fail maybe on the JSON formatting, or maybe be slightly off on some of the macros, but outright ref…

Gemini pro support on bard is still text only for now

https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by htrp »

nathanfig wrote: post #308
dblitt wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For the purposes of this demo, latency has been reduced and Gemini outputs have been shortened for brevity. Seems like this video was heavily editorialized, but still impressive.

Definitely edited, pretty clear in some of the transitions. Makes me wonder how many takes were needed.

Some poor AI / ML intern with a Stanford PhD probably spent an entire summer running these to get the take they needed.
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