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Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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> One required by federal policy. Federal policy just says that if you don't distinguish between regular employees and contractors, the contractors are considered regular employees. It doesn't say you are not allowed to hire those people as regular employees and treat them like regular employees.

> It doesn't say you are not allowed to hire those people as regular employees and treat them like regular employees. What you're saying defeats the purpose and idea of having contractors.

So... Google is legally required to treat contractors as second class citizens to afford them the privilege of being able to mistreat them and fire them at the drop of a pin.

We understand the """"purpose"""" of having contractors.

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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It is financially unfeasible for most middle class households to pass down their homes to their children due to the estate tax kicking on assets over 100,000 eur. That seems OK to me. Why should children who are lucky to be born into a stable middle class family have a large financial advantage over other children? To be clear, passing down an entire home tax free in a highly developed nation is a huge financial adva…

> That seems OK to me. Why should children who are lucky to be born into a stable middle class family have a large financial advantage over other children? Are you for real? Because it is not my or my children's fault other children don't have anything to inherit. This is how life works. You do whatever you can to get ahead of other through any means necessary to have a better future. You should not exepect the same…

> This is how life works. You do whatever you can to get ahead of other

Except its not how life works. Because we decided to make a law against it. You're trying to argue that the law is bad by... saying that it's not a natural law of the universe (no law is, murder is neutral on a cosmic scale)

> So the world would be better if everyone was poor, right

if you're arguing in this sort of bad faith its pointless discussing anything. Social mobility is demonstrably different across different nations, and policies do exist that actually affected social mobility. Social mobility correlates strongly with GDP. If you want a wealthy society, make it so hardworking people born into poor families can outcompete wealthy failsons

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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Which is because it is extremely rude, like meanest of meanest, to not share food with each other. Like, of all mean but not illegal things you can do to contractors, not sharing food is probably what people consider the worst. Small every day things are way more provocative than abstract things like retirement funds or whatever. Been there. Done that. The FTEs got strawberries. I didn't. I don't think I have been th…

I don't get it. Why would you be pissed if those were the rules of the company you were contracting to? As a contractor you get paid more than the regular employees because you take on a greater risk (such as being fired at any moment without any explanation) and you do whatever you're told. If you don't like it you can always look for another client. My point being you can't have your cake and eat it too. Does it su…

Hospitality is a fundamental virtue. Skimping out on food is maybe the fundamental transgression of norms. The anger is subconscious and maybe primal.

I was a "contractor" from an in practice body shop consult agency, not an actual contractor. I did every day office work for three years, being part of a normal work group going to every day meetings etc.

But I don't think that matters. If you have an actual consultant in the office, being there once a month, you give him strawberries too, if you hand out strawberries.

Also, the pay was somewhat lower. I was fresh out of uni so I didn't know better.

Notably, only bosses two layers up thought it was a good idea to skimp on the strawberries etc. The bosses that had to deal with the ensuing bad mood ensured there was no such distinction between FTEs and "contractors".

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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Why is it that w-2 employees of a different company can’t be invited to a lunch or given a tchotchke? I get why 1099s can’t but what’s the deal with the other, now more common situation?

Because this [ https://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-... ]

That’s about 1099s

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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post #446

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> or do you want Google or whoever to start hiring cooks themselves? Yes? Whats wrong with hiring a cook if you need to cook?

Because Google has no idea how to manage or hire cooks?

> no idea how to manage or hire cooks?

Ah yess, cooking food is like deepwater welding, and an average adult has no idea how to manage the risks involved.

Seriously, how can an adult write something like this?

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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Maybe for the c-suite

c-suite would be +20 million each, any early employee should have enough options to get a two to five million after a nice acquisition

Not with liquidation preference.

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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Hey, you began your comparison with the most profitable consulting firms… 2 things - 1) Accenture has an EBIT of 20%. 2) The tippy top of the consulting pyramid plays on branding in a way that the average firm does not. The VAST majority of service driven firms will not become McKinsey etc. making this a poor comparison Finally - I doubt that the top firms have those margins, I would most definitely like to be correc…

In my previous service company, we aimed for 10%, which was considered the norm. However, we were particularly bad at achieving this, with only 8-9%, though we did have a good atmosphere and happy employees

Sounds correct.

Getting to profit through pure people power is hard. Every next person you add doesnt double your output. It’s maybe increases it by some %. (This includes overhead costs)

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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The most profitable consulting-type businesses have profit margins >=50%, before distributing profits to equity holders. But either way I'm not sure about your implicit assumption here that the profits should be comparable to the pay of the employees.

Hey, you began your comparison with the most profitable consulting firms… 2 things - 1) Accenture has an EBIT of 20%. 2) The tippy top of the consulting pyramid plays on branding in a way that the average firm does not. The VAST majority of service driven firms will not become McKinsey etc. making this a poor comparison Finally - I doubt that the top firms have those margins, I would most definitely like to be correc…

Note I mention profit before distributing to equity holders. The highest prestige and therefore most profitable consulting companies are all partnerships.

Some highly profitable consulting companies that are partnerships have very high margins, if you don't include the profit sharing component of the pay of equity partners (but do include bonus and fixed salary). The primary public source I can point to is that many top law firms publish their margins to be >=50%.

As for McKinsey, according to Google, McKinsey has 10k consultants and 2700 partners. There are 30k employees, so I give you that the overhead rate is higher than law firms. But given how different pay is between partners and non-partners, and there is still a relatively large portion of partners compared to other employees, the margins, if calculated this way, is probably still pretty high.

Now is this the right way of considering profit margin? There are some good reasons to disagree with it. But in the same way people can like or dislike EBITDA. At least, it's like nobody discounts Larry and Sergey's cut from Google's profit.

In this context, I would argue it is indeed a good way, especially for the purposes of discussing the discrepancy between grunt pay and hourly charge. It tells us that a very large part of that discrepancy goes to equity partners (who aren't those doing the execution work), rather than "overhead" as it's being argued. This is very different from big-corp type public companies where, even though executive pay is a lot, the bulk of the pay goes to shareholders ans a large number of rank and file and moderately paid middle-managers, which I suspect to be closer to accenture's profile.

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post #548

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And SpaceX didn't build it... Strong statement so of calling Euclid not much of an achievement after it being up there for a couple of days only. I am honetely to lazy to look up a list of ESA space missions for you, Wikipedia might have a decent overview so.

Again my complaint is not the end result isn't "impressive" in isolation it's that it's not impressive for the amount of time and money dumped into it compared to any other space program on earth. I said "for the money we pump into it".

A claim not realy supported by 2022 space program budgets so:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/745717/global-government...

Re: What I learned getting acquired by Google

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The "red badge" thing was very real. It was really weird having TVCs on your team. You'd all work hard together to launch a thing, and then everybody except the red badge would get a celebratory team tchotchke or a team lunch or something. If you asked about it, the manager would say "we can't give Jim things directly because that might be like compensation and they'd be like an employee." There'd be all-hands meetin…

thank you for mentioning this. i was a red badge. it was fucking demeaning. i have a lot of stories, but my favorite was when everyone on my floor got an earthquake safety kit except me. literally google didn't care if i lived or died. the expectation was that if i sucked up enough ("demonstrated my value") they MIGHT make me a real boy, like some bizarre Velveteen Rabbit fetish game. i loved watching how Google woul…

Referring to it as a caste system is pretty offensive tbh. It's a distinction between different types of highly paid tech worker ... not a system of oppression.

In the UK we have IR35 laws that say contractors must be distinct from employees in various ways.

The legislation is a shitshow.

It was supposed to be a way to protect people from zero-hours contracts but ended up being a way to extort more tax from businesses.

As a result, contractors face very odd rules to ensure that if HMRC (the UK tax body) comes knocking ... everything seems legit.

This means everything is policed from how you write emails to if you pay for the Christmas team meal.

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