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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by GoofballJones » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:10 AM UTC

koito17 wrote: post #102

One thing that left me a bit confused was the comparison against Intel Macs. Although I am still using an Intel 16-inch MacBook, I really wanted to see how the M3 fared against the M2, not Intel and M1. I think it's no surprise the M3 exceeds the Intel Core i7-9750H in basically all of Apple's own benchmarking. My real question, which will probably be answered next week, is how it compares to the generation right bef…

I think this is squarely aimed at people who are holding onto their Intel-based Macs with an iron grip. There are always people out there that don't ever want to move to another architecture. I saw it going from Motorola 68030s to PowerPC. I saw people not wanting to upgrade from PowerPC to Intel. Now we're still seeing the people who don't want to migrate to Apple Silicon. They may have legit reasons and what-not. But time is ticking.

So I think it's mostly aimed at the Intel hold-overs.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by pier25 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:14 AM UTC

jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #549

TillE wrote: post #537

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> maybe it's thermal throttling The GPU is a very large fraction of the thermal output these SoCs are engineered to handle, so there really shouldn't be any throttling if you're only loading the CPU.

Its the same package tho, so if the GPU gets hot then the CPU thermal throttles as well.

Yeah but it's not very often that you will push both CPU and GPU to the max.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by brailsafe » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:15 AM UTC

zoogeny wrote: post #527

Finally time to upgrade my 2017 i7. For over 1 year the battery meter has said "Service Recommended" and in the last 2-3 months multiple key caps are literally falling off and regularly get jammed while I try to type. I figure the 16" with M3 Max and 64 GB is a good machine that will last me 5-6 years but I'm not sure if I should pony up for the 2TB storage upgrade. I just pray this revision won't have some unexpecte…

It's harder than ever to be excited to spend money on an upgrade, despite the overall machine being better than ever. RAM and SSD upgrades are comically expensive in Canada, maybe the former of which being slightly more justifiable. $500 for the ram upgrade $750 to ugrade from 512gb to 2tb, so really I'd be paying something like $1000 on just basic storage. It's kind of insulting.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by daft_pink » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:18 AM UTC

AlphaSite wrote: post #523

richardg_ wrote: post #496

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Is this an actual hardware issue though? One issue is MacOS has never supported DisplayPort MST (Multi-Stream Transport) EVER as far as I can tell. MST allows for multiple display streams to be natively sent over a single connection for docks or daisy chaining monitors. Back on Intel Mac's if you had a dock with 2 displays or daisy chained 2 together you would get mirrored displays. The exact same Mac/displays in boo…

You can get multiple displays from a single port, the hubs are just expensive.

You can't do it with a base model M chip. Not supported on Mac unless you go with displaylink and displaylink has weird issues on mac like no hdcp support and screen recording enabled that make it a really bad experience compared to mac.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:19 AM UTC

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by daft_pink » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:22 AM UTC

stouset wrote: post #464

justinclift wrote: post #434

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At a ~recent work place the entire floor of developers had (Intel) MacBook Pros with dual 24" monitors. Some of them were trying out Apple Silicon replacements, though I'm not aware of what they did monitor wise. Probably used the excuse to buy a single large ultrawide each instead, though I don't actually know. ;)

Which workplaces are these that buy low-end laptops for their employees but shell out for dual monitor workstations?

Is a 1,599 laptop a low-end laptop? An M3 Macbook Pro 14" that costs $1,599 can only drive a single external monitor according to the spec. A $1,000 Dell XPS 13 can drive 4 monitors via a single Thunderbolt 4 Dock that also charges the laptop!

Honestly, I'm an accountant and everyone in my office uses 2-3 monitors with $1,200 business ultrabook.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:22 AM UTC

etchalon wrote: post #265

miohtama wrote: post #126

> With the M3 family of chips, hardware-accelerated ray tracing comes to the Mac for the first time. Ray tracing models the properties of light as it interacts with a scene, allowing apps to create extremely realistic and physically accurate images. This, along with the new graphics architecture, allows pro apps to deliver up to 2.5x the speed of the M1 family of chips. Does this mean we can finally play Cyberpunk 20…

No. It's nowhere near as powerful as desktop Nvidia cards. It's about as powerful as a PS5.

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by tpmx » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:22 AM UTC

latchkey wrote: post #255

andrewprock wrote: post #250

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I'm still using a 2015 macbook for my personal daily driver. I have to plug it in regularly, but otherwise it works just fine for everything except video editing.

Any reason for not upgrading?

x86-64 docker containers?

https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/384 is still open. :(

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by zacmps » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:23 AM UTC

rrrurueuururu wrote: post #390

koito17 wrote: post #102

One thing that left me a bit confused was the comparison against Intel Macs. Although I am still using an Intel 16-inch MacBook, I really wanted to see how the M3 fared against the M2, not Intel and M1. I think it's no surprise the M3 exceeds the Intel Core i7-9750H in basically all of Apple's own benchmarking. My real question, which will probably be answered next week, is how it compares to the generation right bef…

For years now, Apple's biggest competitor is Apple from five years ago. One of their biggest threats is that sales flatline because people are still using their perfectly good laptops and phones from several years ago. And that's a hard problem to deal with when you advertise your products as high-end goods that will last a long time.

This shouldn't be a problem, and the answer is to refresh devices less frequently.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by dml2135 » Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 6:24 AM UTC

anemoiac wrote: post #289

dml2135 wrote: post #121

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Seemingly no. So far it looks like (someone please correct me if I’m wrong): - M3, 1 external display - M3 Pro, 2 external displays - M3 Max, 4 external displays This has to be a product differentiation decision at this point, right? Is there any serious technical limitation against more displays in the base chip, that Apple has not been able to solve in three generations?

It’s frustrating. I wish they would just charge an extra $X for the privilege of using multiple external monitors. I like the form factor of the MBA as is… if I need to compromise on that, I might as well choose a different machine.

Same, the M2 MBA is all the power I need and I vastly prefer the smaller size, but the monitor issue is killer.

I finally bit the bullet and bought a DisplayLink dock, which gets the job done, but just seems like a silly compromise when the Intel MBA could support 2 external monitors natively.