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Post by jbc1 »

pyr0hu wrote: post #178
bori5 wrote: post #174

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Anyone know if there is any benefit to doing a reinstall vs just installing over current Ventura ? Is it for peace of mind, placebo?... Any quantitative comparisons ?

For myself, peace of mind. Previously I installed them over an existing system, never had any issues. I have a repo for my dotfiles and install scripts so i can set up my system in like an hour

Any tips to setting up macOS dotfiles? I set up a new Mac today and was going to go that route but after trying to do a diff of "defaults read" and seeing that its thousands of lines largely unrelated to macOS I gave up and changed the obvious things using the settings menu and now just have to deal with all the other minor differences as they popup.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by jefftk »

reacharavindh wrote: post #483
walteweiss wrote: post #474

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On Linux, I enjoy the idea that all the software can be interchanged. So there is no separation between the system and user installed software. For me, it’s difficult to grasp the minimalism of those other systems. When you clearly have your system as a rock that you cannot modify. I have very little experience (some theoretical and none practical) with BSDs, but it pains me there is a base system for macOS with an a…

You can install *BSDs with only the things you want. Same like you can on Linux. However, the question of default packaging holds on both sides. Trying installing the default .iso of Fedora workstation or Ubuntu-latest and see all the things Gnome brings along.. Maps, Photos, IM client, even a bundled browser (Evolution or something) that is based on Firefox but dependednt on the few Gnome packagers to keep up to dat…

> even a bundled browser (Evolution or something) that is based on Firefox

The Gnome web browser is based on WebKit (Safari) not Gecko (Firefox): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Web

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by itomato »

brandall10 wrote: post #251
pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

It says the in the "About This Mac" Apple menu item. In this case, it will be Sonoma 14.0. Historically versioning is weird due to the integration of NextSTEP after Job's return to the company. First it was versioned up to 9, then the NextSTEP integration was 10, then subsequent major releases were minor bumps (ie 10.1, 10.2) as OSX was a brand unto itself until 11 which rebranded to MacOS and full versions were used…

Mac OS X Server version 1.0 was Rhapsody 5.3. It still doesn't make sense even if you know the MacOS System was renamed to OS 8 to kill the clone license.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by i_don_t_know »

dncornholio wrote: post #548
gnicholas wrote: post #368

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Oh man, it gets worse than that. After updating to iOS 17 the other day, I said to my phone "play OverCast" (my podcast app). It used to start playing from that app. This time, it started playing a band called Overcast, and told me I had just started a 7 day free trial of Apple Music. What the actual fuck.

How is this "It gets worse"? iOS has to assume what you mean with play OverCast. Maybe there are other people that wanted the device to play the band? This is such an edge-case which is easily solved by further specifying your prompt.

It's not just playing the wrong band / app. It's signing you up for a subscription. You still have time to cancel before you have to pay. But it's one more thing you have to worry about now.

It should have confirmed that you're fine with subscribing if that's what you have to do to listen to the band. And it's also fine to play the wrong band if you have a subscription already.

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Post by trvz »

amjnsx wrote: post #525
jwells89 wrote: post #302

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The new UI is such a downgrade. It took the app from feeling well made to feeling like your average bloaty SaaS app. I’m gonna have to figure out an alternative once 1PW 7 is no longer supported.

I don't mind the UI on Mac so much as weird bugs where the chrome extension doesn't always work and I need to quit and restart. The iPad app UI is far more frustrating to use, mainly because the search function is hidden behind a down scroll now. I'm keeping an eye on Proton at the moment as I use their email and they do have a password manager offering.

> where the chrome extension doesn't always work and I need to quit and restart

In my experience, this happens when there is a new Chrome version, but you haven't updated to it yet. When you quit and restart Chrome, it can update. Next time the extension stops working, check chrome://settings/help.

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Post by happytiger »

gnicholas wrote: post #368
aeyes wrote: post #288

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You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

Oh man, it gets worse than that. After updating to iOS 17 the other day, I said to my phone "play OverCast" (my podcast app). It used to start playing from that app. This time, it started playing a band called Overcast, and told me I had just started a 7 day free trial of Apple Music. What the actual fuck.

How is that legal? Jeebus.

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Post by absrec »

bzzzt wrote: post #526
Hammershaft wrote: post #463

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Apple's hardware is incredible but the software is increasingly grating for any kind of power usage. Xcode is frustrating, the permissions system is flagrantly designed for Apple's self interest, window, monitor, and app management is rife with ancient bugs and half baked design decisions.

But what's the alternative? Windows has also become incredibly grating with even more telemetry and commercial offerings embedded in the OS (especially the home versions). If you think of macOS as 'half baked' I'm curious what you think of Linux distributions with their infighting about everything from the desktop and graphics stack to which tool should start up system services. There's even less internal consistency…

I've had almost 0 problems being a power user with a KDE Plasma Arch Linux. There is internal consistency in distro lineups. Linux is not one OS. You can have the telemetry ridden but more accessible Ubuntu experience to the extremely fast and barebones Xfce Arch experience, it's your choice.

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Post by thadk »

wigster wrote: post #544

probably just me, but Sonoma sounds like a terrible name. I'm not familiar with the region in California (unlike its predecessors) and it just links to Carcinoma in my mind.

The iconic Windows XP photograph was done in Sonoma County, so the focus on new overhead views of Sonoma County which "crest that hill" is probably part of their tongue and cheek goal here.

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Post by raptor99 »

amatecha wrote: post #409
aeyes wrote: post #288

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You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

It's interesting, I've been using OpenBSD for the past couple years and it has _not once_ enraged me the way Windows and Mac do. I still use Windows for work, and own a ton of Macs (probably getting close to ~30 by now), but OpenBSD is the OS I use for most general computing stuff. I mean, I'm using a GUI that is really primitive by comparison to Win/Mac (i3wm) but it's actually great. Extremely fast, efficient, and…

Sounds amazing!

Is there a good resource/link you could point me to that will get me started using OpenBSD?

I've always read it's quite particular about hardware, and also I'm not even sure if or how well it plays in a multi boot scenario?

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by [deleted] »

emmelaich wrote: post #361
akerl_ wrote: post #285

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MacOS versions have a number, which counts up, the same as iOS and WatchOS. "Sonoma" is a cutesy name for "MacOS 14", the same way that "Jammy Jellyfish" is the cutesy name for Ubuntu 22.04. The version number is shown in the About This Mac page, which is the top menu item in the Apple menu at all times.

At least Ubuntu's names are alphabetical. Off the top of my head I couldn't tell which was later out of Big Sur, Ventura, Monterey ...

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