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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

SamBam wrote: post #469
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #39

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Motivated children can easily outpace public-schooled children with 3 or 4 days a week at 3 hours a day. They can be very self-directed, but the trouble with it is they go down rabbit holes and they'll excel at one or two subjects to the detriment of others. My daughter would want to spend 6-10 hours a day on art, but wouldn't want to do her French or math homework. My son just told me that alef (in the Hebrew alphab…

> My son just told me that alef (in the Hebrew alphabet) was the symbol for Graham's number, but balks when I try to get him to memorize his multiplication tables. I, too, learned about Graham's number when the YouTube algorithm decided that I liked math videos. The issue with learning like this, though, is that it's called "edutainment," and, while it scratches the same itch in our brains as learning, rarely actuall…

> Aleph is not the symbol for Graham's number, rather it is the symbol for Cantor's orders of infinity.

So? We weren't doing math theory. Foreign language instead. He's allowed to entertain himself after his lessons are done, and he'll be familiar with that stuff when he does get there.

> Also, if he had a good teacher,

Sure. If he had one. The implication that there's any such teacher in public schools within 100 miles of us is absurd.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #350
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #39

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Motivated children can easily outpace public-schooled children with 3 or 4 days a week at 3 hours a day. They can be very self-directed, but the trouble with it is they go down rabbit holes and they'll excel at one or two subjects to the detriment of others. My daughter would want to spend 6-10 hours a day on art, but wouldn't want to do her French or math homework. My son just told me that alef (in the Hebrew alphab…

> the trouble with it is they go down rabbit holes and they'll excel at one or two subjects to the detriment of others. In what sense is that a form of "trouble"? How is it different from any other educational system?

It's less than optimal.

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Post by lucubratory »

gemstones wrote: post #518
CuriouslyC wrote: post #510

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I suspect this has more to do with your social circle, which given the density of homeschoolers is probably either hyper-religious, doomsday preppers or some other dysfunctional subculture, and I'm not surprised those children would grow up to hate their parents. To be fair though, I'd imagine an hour or two a week of socialization is still quite insufficient. On the flip side, 10+ hours a day of socialization is unq…

Nope! My parents were secular parents avoiding a struggling inner-city public school system, hoping to have their children take advanced mathematics courses. Same with the rest of the group. So I heard the same refrain from you that I heard from my parents and their peers, decades later from someone I don’t know, and your takeaway is that we must be in very different circumstances? Bud, you’re almost certainly reusin…

So if they weren't religious nutters why did you all go no-contact? Abuse is the only reason I've commonly heard for no-contact, with addiction and religious expulsion uncommon but present, were 12/13 of these families abusive or addicted? I'm just struggling to understand the relationship between the facts you've stated and the outcomes you've stated, I feel like I'm missing a lot of steps here. For reference, I am also no-contact and most of my friends are no-contact, most due to abuse, but we weren't homeschooled.

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Post by WicWacWok »

magic_hamster wrote: post #474
WicWacWok wrote: post #446

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Tbh I still associate homeschooling with conservative christianity. They have a much stronger incentive to homeschool than others by a large margin.

That's interesting to hear, as someone living in a different country I always assume that the reason to homeschool is so you could give your children better education.

> That's interesting to hear, as someone living in a different country I always assume that the reason to homeschool is so you could give your children better education.

The attitude I was raised with is that parents will always have to provide supplemental education but the socialization school provides is much more difficult to replace.

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Post by theonething »

baryphonic wrote: post #14
jimmytucson wrote: post #5

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How much time does homeschooling take for you? Does it roughly equate to one full-time job? I have wanted to homeschool my kids but I am afraid I would have to quit my job or downshift to part-time. And since they are different ages, I worry that if I taught them all at the same time, the curriculum would average into something too challenging for the younger and not challenging enough for the elder. How do you manag…

I homeschool my two kids. I was worried about the time commitment at first, but it's honestly quite small. At most, I spend two hours in the morning for both kids. Typical mornings are an hour to an hour and a half. Some subjects like social studies we do together (my kids are two years apart). Others, like math or language arts, are per child (I usually have the other one read or practice piano when giving a one-on-…

So did you work while you were homeschooling your kids?

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Post by robertlagrant »

treis wrote: post #488
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> Atlanta Public Schools (my local district) spends $22k per student If you homeschool, do you get that money back to spend on education?

No, this was more of a hypothetical to the "Silly-con robbing the government to get rich" bit of the GP.

Sorry, I don't understand. Can you put it more straightforwardly?

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Post by watwut »

rayiner wrote: post #454
watwut wrote: post #413

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That sounds like a healthy school in which some teachers think the dress code was bad. Simple as that.

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The teachers joining protest against dress code in no way implies "focus is on individual self-actualization, and questioning authority, hierarchy, elders, and norms. It’s about what society owes individuals (“rights”) instead of what individuals owe society. "

The protest can mean a lot of things, including the dress code itself being against the norms of the community. One does not need to focus on questioning authority to protest bad decisions.

Also, I am not American.

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Post by wtcactus »

jkestner wrote: post #54

The reason we moved our kids from Montessori to public school is to throw our lot in with the majority of society. It’s made me active in the PTA and school library because up close it’s hard to ignore the challenges staff deal with, and with skin in the game, I don’t have the time to wait for someone else to do it. Hopefully the work we put into the shared system raises the tide for all families, so my children grow…

Well, I feel exactly the opposite. I used to think I would do that, that I would put skin in the game and send my children to public schools.

But after my first born arrived, I can't do that.

She's not an ideological trumping card, she's someone I want to provide with the better opportunities at life. And taking into account everything that's going on with society and the open hate against upper middle class (where I ended up due to my lower working class parents making a lot of effort to give me a good education) it's clear for me that public schools are not about making my child excel, but about forcing on her the idea that she needs to be numbed down to fit on some standard that's made to make everything fit the pace of the lowest common denominator.

They call that equity.

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Post by rayiner »

watwut wrote: post #557
rayiner wrote: post #454

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The teachers joining protest against dress code in no way implies "focus is on individual self-actualization, and questioning authority, hierarchy, elders, and norms. It’s about what society owes individuals (“rights”) instead of what individuals owe society. " The protest can mean a lot of things, including the dress code itself being against the norms of the community. One does not need to focus on questioning auth…

Do you not have students complaining about dress codes in your country? It was the typical individualist dreck: “kids have a right to dress like slobs/express their inner selves and schools shouldn’t try to stop them.” It was not a protest to reinforce existing community standards against an aberrant decision.

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Post by watwut »

rayiner wrote: post #559
watwut wrote: post #557

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The teachers joining protest against dress code in no way implies "focus is on individual self-actualization, and questioning authority, hierarchy, elders, and norms. It’s about what society owes individuals (“rights”) instead of what individuals owe society. " The protest can mean a lot of things, including the dress code itself being against the norms of the community. One does not need to focus on questioning auth…

Do you not have students complaining about dress codes in your country? It was the typical individualist dreck: “kids have a right to dress like slobs/express their inner selves and schools shouldn’t try to stop them.” It was not a protest to reinforce existing community standards against an aberrant decision.

> Do you not have students complaining about dress codes in your country?

What does that have to do with anything? Some dress codes are truly stupid, to the point they are literally ignored by both teachers and students. Which is just our chosen way to deal with it, usually. When there is clash, dress code violation is typically seen as something minor, so no reason to protest when you can kinda ignore it.

Frankly, organizing protest is so much work, that kids in your story come across as active people who take governance seriously.

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