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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by 23B1 »

Zambyte wrote: post #536
23B1 wrote: post #386

The sooner we realize that 'product managers' and 'UX designers' are now as bad as used car salesmen and NFT hucksters, the better. I'm sorry, I LOVE building products and I LOVE design... but these fields have become grift central. No disrespect to folks in these fields, but remember how you came into this field talking about usability, cooperation, beautiful typography, color theory? Bring those back.

> No disrespect to folks in these fields Why not? You can absolutely call people out for using Nuremberg defense. Just because someone ordered you to intentionally mistreat people doesn't mean that you did not intentionally mistreat people.

Honey>Vinegar

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by gerash »

SebastianKra wrote: post #305
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

Apple gets away with some anti-competitive practices that is mind boggling. On iOS, their own app (Apple Maps) can draw a large custom notification for their turn by turn navigation but no other apps is allowed to do the same.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by jodrellblank »

8note wrote: post #423
splendor_spoon wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a funny take I see so often parroted by the self proclaimed ‘out-crowd’. Your need to feel different and therefore superior clouds your judgment. Some users like iPhones since they are reliable and consistent, exactly like a phone should be.

Which is also what a computer should be, and thus why windows should only allow edge I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who wants an unreliable and inconsistent laptop

> "I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who wants an unreliable and inconsistent laptop"

All you have to do is search HN for "linux laptop", look:

"newer laptops still have their fair share of issues. When I bought my thinkpad A485 kernels wouldn't boot without additional parameters, the graphics would freeze at times and cause a hardlock, sleep and hibernation have been fixed and broken again intermittently over several kernel versions, the wifi card's AP mode started causing segfaults in kernel 5.2 due to the driver's rewrite but has since been fixed, the fnlock key LED didn't update properly, which I spent a while debugging and submitted a kernel patch for, and while over the years the fingerprint scanner has been implemented, it's a pain to install and support for fingerprint scanning in linux is still in a very sorry state. Oh and bluetooth still can't connect more than one device at a time" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32964872

Reply: "With Wayland, Gnome and KDE have no way to adjust the scroll speed on a laptop trackpad. Not the pointer speed, the scroll speed. In 2022."

"I have a slimbook pro (the model before the silver keyboard) and sadly I am very unhappy with it, I got a fairly maxed out version and it's fans are always on full blast and I have found no way to keep the power management under control except throttling the CPU - so it is constantly overheated, suspend is not working properly and the chassis is not strong enough so the fans stall unless you have it on a flat surface. [...] Still I will keep buying these things.. eventually someone will figure out how to make reliable laptops that align with the ethos of free software. I've researched system76, puri.sm and also lately the way too expensive MNT reform, but really the only laptop people seem to be happy with is thinkpad x220 / x230 which came out 12 years ago.... This makes me sad. I would pay a lot for a super sturdy laptop which works (and aligns with the free software ethos)." - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23925729

NB that they say what they want is 'super sturdy which works' but their actual behaviour, and the market signal they send, is they pay a lot for an unreliable and inconsistent piece of junk, knowing and expecting it will be that way, and that they will keep doing so indefinitely as long as companies keep making them, and as soon as companies make a good thing they will stop buying. Hmm.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by NoPicklez »

andyferris wrote: post #549
BudaDude wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that its green thats the issue, is the shade of green they chose. It does not contrast well with white text and makes it hard to read.

You know, I've always noticed that iMessages were blue and SMS were green, but I've never found one more or less legible than the other. To me the fact that they are different colours is nice. I worry this a subjective matter, i.e. if the colours were reversed some people would make exactly the same complaint. The actual argument really should focus on whether phone providers should use some interoperable standard mo…

Agree

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by jodrellblank »

afiori wrote: post #154
mikepurvis wrote: post #37

Google does something like this with the GMail app on iPhone— you click links and instead of just opening Safari, it pops up a "which browser to use" selector modal, which is really just an advertisement for you to install Chrome.

This is what I want personally. I use different browsers for different things: let me fucking chose which browser to use. I am currently wondering how easy it would be to build a "shim browser" that you can set as default but does not actually open the page, it only list the urls apps tried to open and lets you copy them to whichever browser you prefer.

Browser Tamer[1] registers itself as the URL handler on Windows, and allows you to configure based on domain name which browser to open the link in. [it probably won't override the kind of hack in this article where Outlook is coupled directly to Edge].

[1] https://www.aloneguid.uk/projects/bt

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Post by kotaKat »

ho_schi wrote: post #108
frob wrote: post #4

Windows is just full of hostile, anti-user patterns these days. I've considered building a windows box just to have a gaming rig multiple times over the last few years, but every time an article like this or their crusade against Chrome reminds me that Bill Gates is still the same anti-trust monster he was in the 90s.

Dear European-Union! How about enforcing direct control about Microsoft business? Not just another “low” fine in the ten to twenty billion range. Just stopping Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon. Enforcing AT&T to not enter any new business worked well. In consequence we got UNIX, C, open-source and documentation and finally the TCP/IP-stack of BSD, GNU and Linux. This had a positive effect for the complet…

No. The EU's too busy complaining that a company should be forced to adopt a connector that didn't exist when it released its product to the market.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by Zambyte »

23B1 wrote: post #551
Zambyte wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No disrespect to folks in these fields Why not? You can absolutely call people out for using Nuremberg defense. Just because someone ordered you to intentionally mistreat people doesn't mean that you did not intentionally mistreat people.

Honey>Vinegar

The most productive approach IMO is a little of both. Build designs that are intended to help people do what they want (instead of what you might want), and be loud about it.

Neither being nice nor mean will persuade people working at Microsoft to be different. Being better and letting them know might though.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by 23B1 »

Zambyte wrote: post #557
23B1 wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honey>Vinegar

The most productive approach IMO is a little of both. Build designs that are intended to help people do what they want (instead of what you might want), and be loud about it. Neither being nice nor mean will persuade people working at Microsoft to be different. Being better and letting them know might though.

Oh I don't have a problem calling out Microsoft at all. But I'm not gonna internet-shame some poor UX designer who is trying to pay her bills in this clown world – just want to encourage her to push back when she can.

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Post by sgjohnson »

FireBeyond wrote: post #523
rootusrootus wrote: post #500

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> Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s This is one of the ways I can tell what preconceived opinion someone has. The only problem with the battery throttling was PR. The engineering solution was correct and objectively better than not throttling. Should they have told users their battery was failing? Sure. But keeping the phone from crashing was better than letting it. > unauthorized Apps on MacOS must be opened with…

> I've never had to do that. Using OKD (OpenShift Kubernetes Distribution) because I just dealt with this morning: https://github.com/okd-project/okd/releases - download the MacOS installer and unzip it. Then try to run it from the command line. Be told that it "cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified". This is NOT the "is an app downloaded from the Internet, do you wish to run it?" dialog. Go to Fi…

> Then try to run it from the command line. Be told that it "cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified". This is NOT the "is an app downloaded from the Internet, do you wish to run it?" dialog.

Yes, you get the “developer cannot be verified” error if the code isn’t signed. Which is perfectly fine, I don’t see how this is anti-consumer.

It’s $99 for a code signing cert (per developer account) on macOS/iOS, which I believe is less than what they cost on Windows.

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