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Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

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Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#551

"just don't connect it to the internet" is such a typical HN response that completely misses the point. A smart TV with no internet connection is still a smart TV. It still has an entire operating system that needs to load wifi, ethernet, Bluetooth, usb driver stacks. It still has an awful, flashy interface that adds unnecessary steps between changing inputs. It still tries to load god knows what apps every time you…

A smart-but-disconnected TV can meet all of those functional requirements, and your nonfunctional requirements (low processing power) frankly don't matter to most people. My smart-but-disconnected TV turns on just as quickly as my PC monitors can return from sleep (a second or two); changing inputs is just as quick (input button on remote, left/right to select, okay to confirm), and the automatic input selection when…

> "A smart-but-disconnected TV can meet all of those functional requirements, and your nonfunctional requirements"

Ehhh I beg to differ. I got a Sony TV a year or so ago with Google TV built in. It's been a nightmare - the GUI is basically unusably slow (literally 5 entire seconds from button press to response) and the whole experience sucks.

So I did what most reasonable people did - plug in some HDMI device that doesn't suck (in my case, an Apple TV) - except that didn't fix the problem entirely.

You see, this TV really really really wants to boot into Google TV. So sure, you have your dongle plugged into this HDMI port full time but it just won't reliably boot into it. Even after setting the HDMI port as the default, half the time it insists on booting into Google TV anyway. And sure, I can grab the TV remote and switch inputs - but again, it's multiple button presses on a software suite that takes ~5 seconds to respond to a single button press. It's a good 20-30 seconds just to switch inputs.

It's maddening. So maddening that I am in fact in the market for a dumb TV just so I can be rid of this cursed UX.

I'm not particularly puritanical about this. I'm willing to live with "just disconnect it", but that solution doesn't actually work for me!

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#552

"just don't connect it to the internet" is such a typical HN response that completely misses the point. A smart TV with no internet connection is still a smart TV. It still has an entire operating system that needs to load wifi, ethernet, Bluetooth, usb driver stacks. It still has an awful, flashy interface that adds unnecessary steps between changing inputs. It still tries to load god knows what apps every time you…

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Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#554

"just don't connect it to the internet" is such a typical HN response that completely misses the point. A smart TV with no internet connection is still a smart TV. It still has an entire operating system that needs to load wifi, ethernet, Bluetooth, usb driver stacks. It still has an awful, flashy interface that adds unnecessary steps between changing inputs. It still tries to load god knows what apps every time you…

> A smart TV with no internet connection And it's soon going to be impossible to dodge it going on the Internet anyway. Manufacturers are hard at work making sure that if any of any neighbor's Internet of Shitty Insecure Things [TM] device participate in the scam, the smart TV shall use your neighbor's device to escape and access the net. I forgot the name of the protocol / "feature", but it's a very real thing. So u…

"Perhaps I can interest you in my services. I specialize in foiling, in copper, the entire television set to block all RF signals from entering or leaving the device. Uh, except for the screen side, of course."

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#555

"just don't connect it to the internet" is such a typical HN response that completely misses the point. A smart TV with no internet connection is still a smart TV. It still has an entire operating system that needs to load wifi, ethernet, Bluetooth, usb driver stacks. It still has an awful, flashy interface that adds unnecessary steps between changing inputs. It still tries to load god knows what apps every time you…

It solves the problem presented in this article

Which is why people responded that way

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#556

"just don't connect it to the internet" is such a typical HN response that completely misses the point. A smart TV with no internet connection is still a smart TV. It still has an entire operating system that needs to load wifi, ethernet, Bluetooth, usb driver stacks. It still has an awful, flashy interface that adds unnecessary steps between changing inputs. It still tries to load god knows what apps every time you…

You definitely deserve to be called out for dunking on HN stereotypes and then writing the most HN comment ever, I.e. lamenting about things that an even smaller number of people even care about, and conflating it for popular opinion.

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#557

"just don't connect it to the internet" is such a typical HN response that completely misses the point. A smart TV with no internet connection is still a smart TV. It still has an entire operating system that needs to load wifi, ethernet, Bluetooth, usb driver stacks. It still has an awful, flashy interface that adds unnecessary steps between changing inputs. It still tries to load god knows what apps every time you…

It solves the problem presented in this article

Which is why people responded that way

“such a typical HN response” to miss that in order to advance your own separate observation or complaint

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#558
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meh, i think your response is more 'typical HN'. Nether are more correct than the other, but if you're annoyed or distrustful of all the internet connected factors of a TV, just don't connect it to the internet. I think that's a fine non-perfect, pragmatic solution.

Personally I'm more concerned about power consumption. My current TV, when it is off, it is off . It sips a tiny amount of power so it can listen for IR signals from the remote, but that's it. Smart TVs never really turn off. If they did, they would take too long to "boot up" and consumers would be frustrated and angry. They're more like a laptop in a not-too-deep sleep state when they're turned off. Another commente…

It's hard to understand because a smartphone can wake instantly with a fraction of the idle power draw. Smart TV = dumb TV + smartphone chipset in many cases so, where is it all going?

Here's a link to a previous discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32888844

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#559
Go to a thrift store and buy a dumb TV. I bought a 32" dumb TV at the Salvation Army for $60. It's not a flat screen but is only 2" thick. It plugs into HDMI for my laptop and Nintendo Switch, has a nice (dumb) remote for volume and brightness, and has worked wonderfully for 3 years now.

The TVs have gotten a lot better in the last 10-15 years so even basic ones work great. I would have been thrilled to have this TV as a kid.

Re: Ask Wirecutter: Can you recommend a not-smart TV for me?

#560

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I attempted to do this with a new TCL TV. And continue using Chromecast dongle. But the damn thing freezes. So I'm using the inbuilt Chromecast for now!

Why do you want a not-smart tv? I thought the point was to not have tracking, but you were using a Chromecast dongle and I would expect Google of all companies to keep track of what you watch at least? Is it the security risks that probably show up after the tv software stops updating?

1. The old Chromecast dongle is much faster than this new TCL TV.

2. Google already knows everything I do and I trust them more than TCL.

Playing a stream from the dongle just freezes after 30s. I'm pretty sure it's the TCL hdmi implementation, because the dongle has been utterly flawless previously.

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