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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by rootusrootus » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:25 PM UTC

dtheodor wrote: post #500

oblio wrote: post #291

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Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups? What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans? Heck, what are the statistics for Vietnamese Germans? The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening.

He is not cherry picking, he picked the largest immigrant group, twice as large as the next one

By what metric is Vietnamese the largest immigrant group? The largest is easily Mexico, and I don't see that Vietnam cracks the top 5, and maybe not the top 10.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by smoldesu » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:25 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #466

anthonypasq wrote: post #449

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did you ever stop to think that maybe if they bought a $1200 windows machine it would have lasted 4 years. also macs were very early to hop on the ssd train and that was an insane advantage over most windows machines. I think that gap has closed substantially at this point.

It might have lasted 4 years, but you'll note I said I knew people using them up to 10 years. In fact my 2014 MBP is still in service, a friend of mine uses it. I had a $1k+ Windows laptop that was a few years old in 2007-2009 and I was thoroughly unimpressed in it's build quality and how crappy/slow it was after 2 years. This was all pre-ssd even on macs (or at least the macs I was buying). I have no doubt that Wind…

There are also laptops that went the opposite direction from Apple, yet they keep on trucking. Old Thinkpads, Panasonic Toughbooks and HP Elitebooks are perfectly usable today, arguably moreso than older Macs. Toss Linux on it, and you'll have longer first-party support than any Macbook shipped in the last decade.

If anything, the repairability and upgradability that prevented old Macs from being e-waste is gone now. It's hard to imagine Apple pushing the envelope on reusability or device longevity in their current era.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ummonk » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:25 PM UTC

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

You know you can just buy the iPhone 13 Mini right?

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by Popcorn3865 » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:26 PM UTC

game_the0ry wrote: post #370

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time.

My own experience (4 MacBooks Pros) and that of providing MacBook Air and Pros to a dozen or so staff (with 50 or so on non-Mac kit) leads me to conclude this statement is not true.

They are great as long as they work but no better in terms of longevity to equivalent kit from other manufacturers, at least in my limited, non-scientific, IMHO experience.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by sleepybrett » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:26 PM UTC

runjake wrote: post #503

game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

I also had a 2016 with a bad keyboard, they replaced it for free because it was a well known terrible keyboard and it probably didn't hurt that it was still under applecare. I continued to use that laptop into 2019, it did need a battery replacement (it got puffy, it happens) that I paid for out of pocket. Then I gave that laptop to a friend and she used it until she finally thought it was too slow/big (it was a 15") and bought a used air.

A failure != a brand new laptop, especially with applecare.

IMO chromebooks are worse but cheaper so you feel better just tossing them out. Windows laptops are worse .. so your position is Apple sux bucause the laptops fai sometimes. But window laptops fail more ... so ...

so what? Hardware fails sometimes, Apple has great support and actually own up to defective products. Sure I'm a little miffed that I can't generally fix them myself (and especially miffed that they solder storage onto a mainboard and don't use something like m.2). But every last apple laptop i've owned that I have replaced for speed reasons has gone to someone else who's used it for years after i've been done with it. (Well save one that took an unfortunate tumble into a lake.. no saving that one, RIP last macbook I ever owned with an optical drive)

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by astrange » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:27 PM UTC

mrkstu wrote: post #529

wkat4242 wrote: post #435

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> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people. Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :) Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns. Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy…

And your reply neatly encapsulates why, for better or worse, the American economy is more efficient/dynamic. Those immigrating into the country know they'll have to hustle and work to survive and thrive.

No, threatening people with death isn't a good way to get dynamism. The American middle class healthcare system, employer plans, is specifically designed to reduce dynamism by making it harder to quit your job. There's other advantages but not that one.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by jollyllama » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:27 PM UTC

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

Correct. It's a terrible deal relative to buying a mac ~5-6 years ago, when the price for a base spec model was more reasonable and you could upgrade it yourself.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by spullara » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:27 PM UTC

ornornor wrote: post #531

game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

> FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. Except when they’re not and Apple tries very hard to bury the problem while the machine is still relevant, so your choices are either to pay for (expensive) repairs out of pocket or dump it and buy a different model. Then years later once the machine is obsolete for most, will they finally give in and offer a free repair to the lucky ones who have been left holding…

The used Mac market disagrees with your anecdote.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by rootusrootus » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:28 PM UTC

bentt wrote: post #547

Yeah this really isn't surprising. They had built up a huge demand surplus in the years before the M1. Everyone with a 2013ish Macbook Pro immediately jumped onto M1. Nobody in that cohort is upping to M2. This is a non-story, other than that Apple wouldn't know that?

This is a good point. The M1 was the first MBP in years that inspired me to upgrade from my 2015 model. They fixed so many annoyances that were holding me back. But I have no particular reason to upgrade again a year later for evolutionary change. I bought two M1s last year and will probably keep them for years.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by javier2 » Mon, Apr 03, 2023, 4:28 PM UTC

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

I feel the same. Macs are just way too expensive in EU market to recommend for normal people. You can get a real good internet+netflix machine for 800EUR. In my opinion Apple prices themselves out as the quality of the 800EUR market range increased dramatically over the past four years. Most people dont need a M1, so they can buy cheaper.