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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by nanidin »

winter_blue wrote: post #407
jacquesm wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'only' ? That's a significant amount of cash for features that I would likely never use.

It does have Navigate on Autopilot (and Auto Lane Change), and on long trips, it's been able to switch lanes & take the correct exit to switch to a different highway, etc. It pretty much let me daydream / think about other stuff while on the highway while keeping a finger on the steering wheel. Sadly, it does shut itself off as soon as you're off a highway however. (That's where FSD would hypothetically come in, once…

> I'd say Auto Lane Change is worth $1,500.

What does that work out to, in terms of dollars per lane change for the duration of ownership? Would you feel the same if you were feeding dollar bills into a feeder each time you changed lanes? Quarters?

Auto lane change is the only feature I value out of EAP / FSD subscription and I can't justify $200/month because it works out to multiple dollars per lane change.

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Post by p_j_w »

maxdo wrote: post #298
pclmulqdq wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that the people who want one of those will want them if: * they are not the first (or in the first ~50 or so) to get there * they have a lot of money and a lot of income on Earth This is kind of a glory-seeking thing for people who haven't made a name for themselves otherwise. Rich people would want to have a return flight. That is not a recipe for making a ton of money.

think of it this way: you go there, work for a company, in a spare time, you find gold, raise capital to start mining it, got rich, build a huge house with swimming pools, and all the rich attributes, but on Mars. Mars will be colonized with great mixture of science and initiative people. Your kids will grew up in this environment, they'll receive best education and endless room for possibilities.

I hate that I don't know if this is satire or not.

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Post by mrguyorama »

moomoo11 wrote: post #322
idlewords wrote: post #141

I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

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Remember, if you consider other human beings as simply objects for you to do what you like with, you won't feel as bad when you inevitably get them killed

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by starbase »

kibwen wrote: post #484
starbase wrote: post #384

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There are plenty of people who would give their lives to advance civilization for the sake of future generations. The brief pleasure of seeing some amazing wonders is, in comparison, irrelevant. Death is guaranteed either way.

There is no "advancement" to be gained by merely sending tourists to die uselessly on a tomb world.

Colonization is not tourism.

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Post by billiallards »

Kranar wrote: post #518
saudade97 wrote: post #494

The amount of Tesla apologism in HN is nasueasting. Per the NHTSA, a safety recall is issued if either the manufacturer or the NHTSA determines that a vehicle or its equipment pose a safety risk or do not meet motor vehicle safety standards. On its face, Tesla's situation clearly calls out for classification as a recall.

Meh, the term recall conjures images of vehicles having to be taken back to the dealership to get repaired, replaced, or refunded. The recall announced here is just an over the air software update. It's worth pointing this out.

In the same way that the term "full self driving" or "autopilot" conjures images of vehicles driving themselves?

Not sure that Tesla should be opening the "what do words mean" can of worms right now.

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Post by bhauer »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #205
moremetadata wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why even bother with a letter? Surely the letter could be displayed on screen like most other tech displays some text of sorts before an update occurs. Are these letters designed to satisfy the legalese types, or is paper still required to make sure tech companies dont make post update changes to the letter contents?

A lot of car owners don't have reliable internet at home and live outside of cell tower coverage (mountainous areas, especially). Statistically these are not likely to be Tesla owners, but it's about making sure people know about the issue and how to fix it.

When GP says "the update could be displayed on-screen," they are referring to the car's user interface, and not a secondary device like a computer or cell phone.

Incidentally, when you point out the issue of missing a theoretical electronic version of the notice because of spotty Internet connectivity, in such a scenario, they wouldn't be able to receive the OTA update either.

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Post by marricks »

panick21_ wrote: post #410

I wish all the ink spilled on controversy over Tesla would instead be spilled on doing basic safety improvement to the road system that are cheap and proven to save many lives. Lets be real here, automated driving or not, having actually save roads helps prevent death and harm in many cases. The hyper focus on high tech software by all the agencies engaged in 'automotive security' is totally wrongly focused. What the…

Something is changing and it’s very broken so people are paying attention to it.

If people really wanted to fix transportation that’s great, high speed rail and public transportation reducing the number of cars on the road seem to be the best solution.

But hey, Elon’s hyper loop was a publicity stunt to discourage investment in that. So I say, whether you want to shit on Tesla or public roads, shit on Elon.

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Post by jjk166 »

SomaticPirate wrote: post #498
orthecreedence wrote: post #444

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If we're actually serious about this, we should get rid of roads altogether and replace them with rail tracks. That solves 95% of the automation problem anyway.

US passenger rail is unsafe. We have no way near the level of sophistication of European passenger rail transport. We have a significantly higher number of derailments. Even the worst European rail is more safe than US rail.

In the US trains have 17 times fewer deaths per passenger-mile than cars, and even then less than 1% of deaths from trains are passengers (the overwhelming majority are trespassers).

That it could be even better does not mean it is not a substantial improvement.

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Post by stefan_ »

Kranar wrote: post #518
saudade97 wrote: post #494

The amount of Tesla apologism in HN is nasueasting. Per the NHTSA, a safety recall is issued if either the manufacturer or the NHTSA determines that a vehicle or its equipment pose a safety risk or do not meet motor vehicle safety standards. On its face, Tesla's situation clearly calls out for classification as a recall.

Meh, the term recall conjures images of vehicles having to be taken back to the dealership to get repaired, replaced, or refunded. The recall announced here is just an over the air software update. It's worth pointing this out.

The question you need to be asking is how many of these safety events they have swept under the rug because a fix is always "just an over the air software update" away.

This recall only happened because, god forbid, the NHTSA got off its ass and actually tested something.

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