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I mean you are describing it as a contagion, this isn't going to be a worthwhile conversation, but, I will just say that I disagree.
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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes
#552It’s kind of funny how whenever an account on a privately-operated website gets banned for violating that website’s clearly stated rules, it instantly becomes a referendum on Cancel Culture and Lowest Common Denominator and Woke Mob etc. People are forming entire worldviews around being oppressed by The Mods these days, and so many people happily clamor to reinforce their position that they are The Victim Of Culture…
I agree. I’ve literally seen the word “mob,” like, 5 times in this thread already. I think… it’s just an overzealous application of a policy? I don’t really think there’s a woke gang on this one.
"Engineer Syndrome" at work
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes
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I mean you are describing it as a contagion, this isn't going to be a worthwhile conversation, but, I will just say that I disagree.
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What do you mean its a familiar pattern? What do you mean better explanation? You don't have an explanation, you just have a pejorative descriptor... I'm genuinely uninterested in post-battling somebody who seems to have an axe to grind over this.
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Is this....a weird way to say that you want folks to have the ability to (checks notes) make transphobic comments and prevent other people from reacting? > but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How is making transphobic remarks appealing to the opposite of the LCD of society. It appears that you are claiming some sort of social or moral superiority....to…
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Its hard not to read this and think of Black only bathrooms.
What exactly is the risk?
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By performing a perfunctory Google search you can answer your own question. Notably, [0] exists. Of course this isn't exhaustive research by any measure. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_bein...
So, no mobs then, and mostly people working in prostitution - a notoriously dangerous occupation in itself.
Yes, especially dangerous for trans women, as they're targeted and murdered more often.
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Would it have been transphobic if the sentence had been prefixed with 'some people say...' At a certain level AI trained on inputs is just a big 'some people say' box.
People saying transphobic stuff are indeed transphobic.
Not looking for a flame war, and I know this is not an acceptable take, but y'all need to learn the difference between conversations about a topic and conversations supporting a topic.
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Yeah that's the so called "chilling effect" of these rules. With the irony being that this joke predicted its own fate. "No one is laughing and you're all gone" shortly before it's #CANCELLED.
Is it also a "chilling effect" that you shouldn't call a black person the N word? Doesn't seem to have chilled anything in rap
It certainly has downstream chilling effects. The lingo around how to describe minority groups is fraught with landmines that often lead to avoiding discussion in general. Growing up in the 90's I remember trying to learn the correct terms for Native Americans, people of color, etc, and for many years I believed mistakenly that some terms were taboo when they weren't (I thought it was rude to refer to someone as "Mexican", for example) and to this day I am still hesitant on some things; is using "Black" as a caucasian offensive in some contexts, wait what's the correct term for the indigenous peoples of the arctic North America, etc.
So when time comes that we might discuss a subject that touches on these groups, I generally tend to avoid it. I think I know the right term, but on the 5% chance I say something offensive then it's a huge negative outcome for me. No I'm not going to accidentally say the n-word, but sometimes it's easier to avoid conversation on the topic if I'm in a context where I may stick my foot in my mouth.
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes
#558Twitch has always been a little quicker on the trigger than other platforms. In 2021 they banned a streamer for using the word “cracker”.
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No blanket statements made. I spoke about the GOP, referring to the leadership. No blanket labeling. I merely continued the discussion from this context: > sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them. > there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's taboo to make jokes about how they may have a point. > similar thing with trans people, you mention them…
> No blanket statements made. I spoke about the GOP, referring to the leadership. No blanket labeling. > It is easy to see the two countries are by all means shitholes, and so are red states... it is possible that you have become so accustomed to "political talking points"-type "discussion" (i.e. twitter) that you genuinely think this is normal, respectful discourse—I would consider reflecting upon this a bit. > You…
Enlighten me then, if not with the word "fascist", how should I characterize the class of people that apparently wants me dead, and as a collective exhibit all 14 characteristics of Fascism as defined by Umberto Eco?
Which word has sufficient gravitas to convey that I am genuinely scared about my friends in red states who can't leave? To convey the terror of hearing about yet another shooting towards people just like you?
Which word can I use to describe people who don't want me to live?
Which word can adequately describe the class of people that carry such vile acts or condone them?
What should I use instead?
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes
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There's a lot of proof linked from that page. I presume you've read it all and have some specific disagreement?
I'm looking for the citation for this: LGBTQ youth are not inherently prone to suicide risk because of their sexual orientation or gender identity but rather placed at higher risk because of how they are mistreated and stigmatized in society. The citations show these individuals are placed at higher risk in association with mistreatment. I couldn't find the citations for the rest of the statement, including the 'rath…
I think it’s effectively impossible to remove societal influence from the equation - in other words, we can compare between different local environments and personal histories, but there’s no trans youth in the western world that hasn’t grown up in an at least moderately hostile and othering society.
I think you may be able to do some comparative analysis based on different rates of depression & suicidal ideation among homosexual youths both over time and across different states/local environments to get a sense of the magnitude of the social effect, but it’s basically impossible to fully disentangle social effects when evaluating the mental health of trans youth when you’ve got senators and governors proposing bills decrying them as ‘less-than’.
But, let’s try an experiment: let’s keep working on society until that’s _not_ the case, and if there’s still a substantially higher incidence of trans suicide in a world in which they’re supported and have care options available to them, I’ll owe you a coke.