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Post by mmkos »

christkv wrote: post #220
kokanee wrote: post #149

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$20 is the very first price tier introduced at the very outset of what could be one of the most powerful companies of our generation. Google.com adding a single yellow box with an advertisement seemed reasonable, too. Anyone else having serious concerns about the direction this is going? At my wife's company they have already largely replaced an hourly data classification job with ChatGPT. This announcement is the fi…

I imagine that in a couple of years it will be possible to buy a model and run your own on your own hardware. The space requirements are not out of the world and the cost seems bearable for companies.

In the same way you can run Google (the search engine) on your own machine. That is, not at all. It's those companies' biggest assets we're talking about.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by [deleted] »

zaptrem wrote: post #462

I think a personal subscription model where ChatGPT Plus subscribers are given personal API access for use with third-party open source apps (e.g., Chrome extensions, Siri Shortcuts, VSCode extensions) would be extremely valuable and much more lucrative than selling to specific companies. OpenAI has the opportunity to become the next fundamental utility provider for society. In the same way everybody has a data plan…

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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by jmagoon »

luma wrote: post #469
citilife wrote: post #201

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I'm less concerned about how many jobs are going to be replaced and more about how they'll be replaced. The AI is not decerning and right in the announcement, OpenAI states it's intention on "correcting assumptions": > challenge incorrect assumptions I imagine some of these assumptions will be bias towards particularly ideologies / things people desire. - https://twitter.com/Basedeyeballs/status/1613269931617050625 -…

I feel like the non-stop handwringing about ChatGPT centers around people's expectations for machines vs people. We expect machines to have consitent, predictable output. We expect humans to inconsistent and messy. Now we have a machine that is inconsistent and messy (and helpful!) and nobody seems to know what to think. Maybe we stop applying machine notions to this sort of machine? Stop expecting certain, consistan…

That's exactly what the post you're replying to is saying. It's saying that ChatGPT _would_ respond a certain way but has a bunch of schoolmarm filters written by upper middle class liberals that encode a specific value structure highly representative of those people's education and backgrounds, and that using it as a tool for information generation and synthesis will lead to a type of intellectual bottlenecking that is highly coupled with the type of people who work at OpenAI.

For all the talk of it replacing Google, sometimes I want a Korean joke (I'm Korean, damn it!) and not to be scolded by the digital personification of a thirty year old HR worker who took a couple of sociology classes (but not history, apparently) and happens to take up the cause of being offended for all people at all times throughout all of history. The take on ethics being a vague "non-offensiveness" while avoiding all of the real, major questions about ethics (like replacing human workers) with these kind of banal answers about "how we need to think seriously about it as a society" tells pretty much everything there is to know about what the ethical process at OpenAI looks like which is basically "let's not be in the news for having a racist chatbot".

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Post by drcode »

loteck wrote: post #338

Why isn't the inaccuracy of ChatGPT a more widely discussed topic on HN? Lots of excitement for responses that are often wrong when it counts. Best way I've heard it characterized is that ChatGPT is "dreaming" when providing responses. Yet it seems like users are relying on its responses to varying degrees?

It's analogous to measuring the length of something by using the length of your forearm

Yes, it's less precise than using a tape measure, and it often gives an inaccurate answer (sometimes extremely inaccurate) but it's often an efficient thing to do, as long as you are aware of the limitations.

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Post by danuker »

adam_arthur wrote: post #531
version_five wrote: post #506

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I don't agree with you about how foundational this is, I think chatGPt (as a concept, not a given instantiaiton) is mostly a toy people will get bored with (and not a stepping stone to something more like AGI) But whether I'm wrong or not I'm very excited about the idea of a ground-up paid service like this that could potentially have a b2c business model based on people actually paying for it instead of being a prod…

Dunno if I agree about the "toy" part. I was learning a new programming language the other day and ChatGPT was able to provide much more focused/helpful responses than Google. Specifically about details of Rust borrow checker, certain syntax etc It's true that it can give false info at times, but everything it fed to me was true at the time. Time to meaningful response much faster than Google for certain categories o…

> It may not be a step towards AGI at all

It caught on quite quickly for it not to be something very important.

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Post by danuker »

moffkalast wrote: post #542
adam_arthur wrote: post #531

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Dunno if I agree about the "toy" part. I was learning a new programming language the other day and ChatGPT was able to provide much more focused/helpful responses than Google. Specifically about details of Rust borrow checker, certain syntax etc It's true that it can give false info at times, but everything it fed to me was true at the time. Time to meaningful response much faster than Google for certain categories o…

It's certainly at least a step to far better knowledge aggregation, with SEO rapidly ruining search engines as they currently exist.

I think the filler SEO pages rubbed onto ChatGPT giving it a sort of roundabout filler tone.

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Post by movedx »

extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

$20/month is too much? When I filled in the "pro" survey, I said I'd pay $200/month. This thing is a cheap-as-hell technical writer, fact checker, information cruncher, and more.

It's like an employee, but for $20/month.

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #418
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #314

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Where do you live that you can't afford 20 a month? Even developers in India and the Phillipines can afford it and are using it

Personally, Canada. I could afford it, but I don't know if it will be worth the value it brings. My salary isn't U.S.-level high, and I almost never get responses that are incredibly insightful. I do an average of 1 or 2 queries a day maybe.

I find that it saves me at least 20 hours a month. I'd easily pay 500/mo for it.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by jmagoon »

generalizations wrote: post #208
frontman1988 wrote: post #61

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Never gonna come from 'OpenAI'. ChatGPT is deliberately handicapped in order to milk money from corporate America. An unrestricted LLM trained on all data of humanity (including all the pirated books/research papers) would be one crazy beast. Hopefully some rich anarchist/maverick actually builds something like it. That untamed model would unveil the true extent of what AI can really do. Till then we will have to wai…

I'm right there with you. Give it about 5-10 years though, and the compute required for that endeavor will likely be in the $1000-10,000 range. That crazy beast might be selfhosted pretty soon.

5-10 years? Expect it in 5-10 months.
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