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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

Kranar wrote: post #543
itsoktocry wrote: post #511

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I'm not sure what point you're making here. As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. They had problems, as did Nintendo and Sega (as talked about in Console Wars ). It certainly wasn't all roses. Sega stopped building systems altogether! The Xbox 360/One outsold the NES/SNES. That's amazing.

I'm not the one making a point in this thread, I'm refuting the laughably false point that the other person made that the NES, Gameboy, and Playstation were mismanaged and ended up costing their respective companies significant sums of money. >As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. What anecdata are you talking about? I linked to a source on the subje…

>The fact that he was actively replying to me until I requested some evidence to back his claims is a strong indication that those sources never existed.

I stopped replying to you because I saw you have a bone to pick and I have a life to live rather than trying to win an online argument with you.

The sources are on youtube, feel free to use the search function and watch them at your own convenience and make your own opinion. Good day sir.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by 2snakes »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #479
no_time wrote: post #327

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I wonder how many years until every DRM vendor can enforce pluton as a baseline. 5 more?

I just read about Pluton and honestly I'm not even shocked anymore. I'm glad I could enjoy free computing while it lasted.

In the name of securitay!

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by Kranar »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #551
Kranar wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the one making a point in this thread, I'm refuting the laughably false point that the other person made that the NES, Gameboy, and Playstation were mismanaged and ended up costing their respective companies significant sums of money. >As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. What anecdata are you talking about? I linked to a source on the subje…

>The fact that he was actively replying to me until I requested some evidence to back his claims is a strong indication that those sources never existed. I stopped replying to you because I saw you have a bone to pick and I have a life to live rather than trying to win an online argument with you. The sources are on youtube, feel free to use the search function and watch them at your own convenience and make your own…

What a sad excuse of a reply.

Just have the decency to admit you have no source, maybe you misheard something, instead of doubling down on your ignorance. It's unbelievably pathetic otherwise.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by karmelapple »

MBCook wrote: post #332
karmelapple wrote: post #322

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Who went back to AMD/Intel stuff? Any Apple user is far away from that, and comparing the performance, heat, noise, and battery differences between my Intel and Apple Silicon computers, I have no desire to regularly use an Intel machine until they make some stratospheric leap. (I still need it for some x86 vagrant boxes I have though!)

I meant the rest of the industry. They said “wow” and then went back to business as usual. They had talking points about how they’ll improve and performance (as always) and efficiency got talked up more. But when will any of that show up? Hardware takes time but I just don’t see reviewers demanding it. They’ll be happy if it shows up but they’re not calling out “this isn’t good enough” and I just don’t get it. How ca…

Thanks for clarifying, now I get it! And fully agreed - once you use an M1 that's cold to the touch even while doing some heavy lifting, it's hard to imagine using an Intel machine that gets warm just running Zoom and a few browser tabs.

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Post by TreeInBuxton »

Funnyduck99 wrote: post #545
TreeInBuxton wrote: post #501

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I am working on the Windows on Arm project at Linaro, enabling various OSS programs for WoA (currently working in Blender), there is some appetite :) Feel free to ask questions!

How long do you think it will be until many things are ported to arm?

Define 'many'! Several large projects that may well be prerequisites/dependencies (ie, Python, CMake, .NET) are available natively, so most projects should be able to be ported with relative ease.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by sliken »

smoldesu wrote: post #219
thisarticle wrote: post #208

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Where does it say Linux is officially supported?

The chip is having mainline Linux support merged with 5.20, according to Phoronix: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.20-SoCs-8cx-Gen3-Arm

Sure, doesn't mean that everything works though. The Thinkpad x13s has the same CPU and apparently is quite tricky to get booted. Once booted audio, sleep, bluetooth and the like has been problematic. Granted that's more of an issue with a laptop than a SFF like the DevKit.

Things do seem to be improving. Releasing the Thinkpad x13s has brought attention to the 8cx gen 3 from the Linux community.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by sliken »

skohan wrote: post #481
osigurdson wrote: post #410

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I wish macOS just was Linux.

What more *nix do you want on macOS than is already there? I can understand from the lockdown perspective (i.e. just give me a Vulkan driver on macOS) but as a polished DTE with a unix terminal I find it pretty decent.

ZFS or any other filesystems.

Package manager that controls the entire system, not just add ons.

Choice of desktop environments, no silly $3 apps to enable simple things like edge snapping. Options for tile based window manager, etc.

Decent cut/paste (no control-v and control-c instead of sweep and click to paste).

SystemTap for performance analysis.

Seamless use of containers with the same environment as the host OS.

Ability to create binaries that don't require the approval of some Apple run web service to run.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by cloakedcode »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #547
skohan wrote: post #515

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There must be a way to set up a hotkey for this right?

Not at the moment, I tried everything. My 2 most important shortcuts: Ctrl+Alt+T for Terminal and Ctrl+Alt+C for VSCode are extremely difficult to achieve on MacOS. This is why I prefer Linux, it has keyboard shortcuts that are more consistent and freedom that's important to me.

Try this: https://github.com/koekeishiya/skhd

If it’s customizable, global, keyboard shortcuts you’re after, skhd should do the job.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

cloakedcode wrote: post #558
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #547

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Not at the moment, I tried everything. My 2 most important shortcuts: Ctrl+Alt+T for Terminal and Ctrl+Alt+C for VSCode are extremely difficult to achieve on MacOS. This is why I prefer Linux, it has keyboard shortcuts that are more consistent and freedom that's important to me.

Try this: https://github.com/koekeishiya/skhd If it’s customizable, global, keyboard shortcuts you’re after, skhd should do the job.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a try.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by w1nst0nsm1th »

sliken wrote: post #557
skohan wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What more *nix do you want on macOS than is already there? I can understand from the lockdown perspective (i.e. just give me a Vulkan driver on macOS) but as a polished DTE with a unix terminal I find it pretty decent.

ZFS or any other filesystems. Package manager that controls the entire system, not just add ons. Choice of desktop environments, no silly $3 apps to enable simple things like edge snapping. Options for tile based window manager, etc. Decent cut/paste (no control-v and control-c instead of sweep and click to paste). SystemTap for performance analysis. Seamless use of containers with the same environment as the host OS…

That being said BetterTouchTools and Keyboard Maestro are far above what you can possibly find in any linux software.

MacOS desktop by itself is pretty limited, but once you had these two softwares, the desktop experience become pretty nice, far above anything you find in any completed linux desktop.

But it is it. It's only a 'desktop experience'... Coupled with deep integration with ipad and iphone.

If you want more of a *nix integration, Brew is pretty nice and do more of less the job. As for container, dockers work seamlessly on the command line and integrate well with the file system, even if containers still run atop of a virtual machine.

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