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> the British system of government is a disaster.
No, Liz Truss was a disaster.
Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister
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Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister
#552This might sound crazy... but if the UK is already de facto ruled by financial markets, in the sense that the PM has to step down if the markets don't like what they're doing, maybe it's time to try prediction market-based governance for real? What would've happened if instead of simply announcing the proposal, Truss had described the proposal and the government had sponsored a conditional prediction market on the ec…
This happens all the time. People close to any administration "leak" plans to the media to see how they land. Not good? Just deny it. Good? Guess we go ahead.
Yeah especially in UK gov this seems to be standard operating procedure now
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#553Earlier quoted context omitted.
Definitely. I mean check out some of the recent winners of the US National Debate Championships. https://youtu.be/fmO-ziHU_D8?t=34
Here's the American Debate Association's 2019 High School Championships: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqjHz9laqgU&t=368s And debate between the Harvard Democrats and Republicans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYLcpQQCjLE&t=1655s I've never seen or heard of a debate like the one in Peter Schiff's youtube channel there, and it is pretty obviously being shared on social media for emotional effect.
I agree; the video in the comment above yours was edited specifically to focus hate on a couple of high school students.
While I have to admit I'm not a fan of that debate style, if you want to know the context behind it, there's an episode of Radiolab on the topic: https://radiolab.org/episodes/debatable
The short version is that it seems to have been a response and rebellion to what was already an arguably ridiculous style of competitive "debating": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPsEwWT6K0
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#554Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Tories themselves aren’t saying things like this either Maybe not, but pretending they are better while ignoring the homophobia, racism, sexism and offensive class warfare from the like of Boris Johnson seems disingenuous.
who is pretending they're better? me?
That bit of my comment is not accurate - sorry.
I was trying to make the point that The Conservative Party had members making some pretty average comments on a regular basis.
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#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you expect a different outcome?
With Sunak as PM? Yes. He pretty much called Truss's plans stupid in so many words, and predicted the effects during the last leadership election. This is not really an especially high bar to clear as many people said so. The question isn't whether Sunak is the best possible PM, but what the best possible option is right now given the circumstances: a somewhat stable and "normal" person as PM vs. a general election?…
The big question is whether he can unify the Tories, or at least gain the majority backing him, which I doubt as the current members seem hell bent on their own power gains and increasing their own wealth no matter the cost to our economy. The real danger in another indeterminate period of this farce.
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#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's the American Debate Association's 2019 High School Championships: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqjHz9laqgU&t=368s And debate between the Harvard Democrats and Republicans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYLcpQQCjLE&t=1655s I've never seen or heard of a debate like the one in Peter Schiff's youtube channel there, and it is pretty obviously being shared on social media for emotional effect.
I agree; the video in the comment above yours was edited specifically to focus hate on a couple of high school students. While I have to admit I'm not a fan of that debate style, if you want to know the context behind it, there's an episode of Radiolab on the topic: https://radiolab.org/episodes/debatable The short version is that it seems to have been a response and rebellion to what was already an arguably ridiculo…
Yeah so it was essentially satire.
You'd think that in a community of "hackers" that should value actual skepticism and subversion that people wouldn't fall so easily for obvious propaganda.
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#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's an extremely biased opinion, and I make no apologies. I think every single living member of every Tory cabinet present and past should be strung up in Parliament Square. I'm not in any sense unclear about my views on them. We have had twelve years of disastrous Tory austerity that has comprehensively destroyed the UK's economy. What's the plan? Let them keep trying until they get something right? How long is it…
This viewpoint is both evil (literally wanting to kill people... like the "best" politicians of the 20th century! /s) and delusional (UK had approximately 0 GDP growth since 2010, like other main European countries - so I doubt it was Brexit or Tories) https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/DEU/FRA/...
Gordon Brown selling off our gold reserves wasn't the smartest move. But as you mention, the UK hasn't seen growth in our GDP since 2010. Which Party has been in power since May of 2010?
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The sad part is that there's a can of worms just like her in the Conservative Party. She's merely the one that got sacked for it, but the next Tory PM will most likely have the same agenda, although he / she will most likely tread more carefully. After leaving the EU the UK economy has become extremely unstable, with strikes occurring almost on a weekly basis, just like we had in the 60's and 70's before the UK becam…
> Mind you that the UK isn't self-sufficient in terms of food (hasn't been for more than 120 years) and economic dire straits could actually lead to food shortages and famine! Let's be realistic, this is never going to happen.
A significant number of Brits will have to chose between heating their living space and food.
Kids will go hungry.
People who used to support food banks now need to rely on them. Food banks, which have to cut down on services because they can't afford them any more.
While it's a stretch to argue that the UK as a whole will run into famine it's hard to argue that 14 years of austerity and the mess the Tories made in their time in government will not lead millions of people into literal poverty.
e: logical error fixed
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If I wasn't living in this timeline, the current Republican politics would be HILARIOUS. In short [0], the idea of republicanism is that the people cannot be trusted to make political decisions; you need elder statesmen to do that. In other words, you need grown-ups. To this end, we have the electoral college, which is supposed to block any egregiously populist president. Well that is not how it worked out. 0. So sho…
If you don’t have any intentions of defending your beliefs, why do you put them out there? It’s like throwing a punch with no intention of getting in a fight. You’re just bound to get your ass kicked. Not only is the UK not a republic but Republicanism isn’t about needing a grown up, it’s about time. Understanding the implications and reading through a 150 page proposal on the bill is not possible for the majority of…
> If you don’t have any intentions of defending your beliefs, why do you put them out there?
The internet has lost it's privileges in this regard.
I was talking about US Republicans.
Re: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister
#560I know this topic is important in substance and the thing I'm about to say is an aesthetic issue, but as an American watching this unfold I have admired the Brits for the sense of heart that still seems to be present in their politics. I'm referring to the parliamentary sessions in which, even though they're savagely roasting each other, they're doing in a way that feels somehow good-hearted and doesn't lay bare the…
> they're doing in a way that feels somehow good-hearted and doesn't lay bare the naked resentment and hatred that seems to be all we have left in the USA It's nice that it looks this way, but the different parties and their supporters in the UK absolutely hate each other. Front-bench party members now routinely and openly using words like 'scum' and 'detest' to talk about their colleagues on the other side. I don't…
> I don't think US politics is quite that openly aggressive and hostile.
I mean, let us know when a mob storms Parliament to prevent the confirmation of the next PM.