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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Short of something fundamentally changing my personality, I'm absolutely certain that I would never do the things he does.

Almost as if his mental health (or lack thereof) has fundamentally changed his personality.

His rise to fame is largely predicated on that personality and has been present for over a decade?

Maybe it is a result of mental health issues. But then the premise of his success feels very different.

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> I refer to things like attaching counter opinions to opinions of people with high visibility for example That's what fact-checking is. It's widely heckled.

Is saying something is widely heckled similar to when someone says "we all know.." before making a controversial statement?

I wasn't aware "many prominent people don't like fact-checking" was a statement that needed a citation. In any case, you're free to disagree with that. I don't really care enough to try to prove it to you.

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It's more of a story of a famous artist who thinks for himself and has been marginalized for years as a result. Every time he says something that deviates from the accepted narrative, he is attacked and dismissed as "crazy", "insane", "sick". Many non-normative geniuses throughout history have been treated in this manner. Before anyone strawmans this, he does occasionally say things that should be condemned, particul…

Correct. The responses around this are absolutely pathetic, and many of them believe that he is unable to think for himself because he is buying Parler. So what if he is buying it. I'd say good for him, he can rebrand it if he wants to. Did the self-proclaimed HN doctors question his decision to collaborate with Adidas, Nike, etc by becoming a fashion designer with his Yezzy label which made him a billionaire? They d…

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Has anyone seen any stats on how many Parler active daily users there are? I’d assume it’s quite small.

"700,000 to 1 million (active) as of January 2022", compared to the "20 million (total) as of January 2021". The leak was also in January, 2021.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parler

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Or just stop doing business in {STATE}. Edit: I previously referred to Texas (re: the comment about laws being passed there, which I think refer to those to restrict de-platforming). What I meant with this comment was more like "if a state passes a law like Texas, it might be easier not to do business there than to comply," which obviously wouldn't work if section 230 was defanged or repealed. I don't think that woul…

S.230 covers the whole USA.

Yea, I edited my comment, I was talking more about those states which make their own laws which would affect a platform. One of the up-comments in this chain referred to that Texas law that I think is supposed to prevent de-platforming. Section 230 would certainly have widespread effects.

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> People with bipolar disorder aren't capable of making rational decisions? In the midst of an uncontrolled manic episode? Often they are not.

So who should be held responsible for their decision then? Who gets to decide?

If they commit a crime, a judge and/or jury, informed by the testimony of medical experts, determines whether someone was cognizant of right and wrong. This is not uncommon in the criminal justice system.

Now, responsibility on the larger scale is indeed murky. We societally at once say addicts are and aren't responsible for their behavior (depending upon one's point of view and what acts took place): a drunk driver is treated differently than a homeless addict living under a bridge. Is Kanye 'addicted' to manic states? Should we look down upon him because he won't take his meds? I'm not sure.

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To be fair, when that was written being a member of the CPUSA meant there was a very good chance that someone was working with the KGB. There was a long history of people with college ties to communist groups going to work in sensitive industries and passing secrets to the KGB.

I find it interesting that similar claims have been made against several members of the Republican party in recent times (by prominent news outlets). What is the threshold of evidence that taints an entire political party?

For the record I think it was wrong then, but there are literal KGB records of people in the working for them, and some were caught and arrested at the time. Again I think the law was wrong, but the concern was real. As for "Russia Gate", I remain in unconvinced.

[*edit] if you’re downvoting, kindly share your disagreement, I’d be interested to hear what you have to say.

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

As someone who doesn't listen to much rap / hip hop, and can only name his cover (adaptation?) of Stronger, I do know who Kanye is. I don't know anything about his music. Mostly I just know of him because he's a very public asshole. Much like his wife. I find it basically impossible to empathize with him. I just wouldn't ever be in that situation. "Rising against adversity" is not the story I'd be be using here so mu…

>I would wager greatly that it's not that he's grown cynical to people saying he can't do something, but that he's become delusional from people telling him a genius.

I've been wary of defending Kanye online lately, but Kanye's influence isn't just "rap / hip hop". Kanye also broke into luxury/high-end fashion quite unexpectedly where he was given the same sort of push back. It started with him interning at Fendi (when he already was one of the largest entertainers on the planet) alongside a group of other eclectic individuals (the other most notable one, Virgil Abloh, who would go on to become creative director of Louis Vuitton).

He captured lightning twice and I can't imagine that developing into a personality into anything other than "everyone else is wrong".

That said, I don't think he's become delusional from people telling him he's a "genius", or from mental illness. Since 2020, I've seen scores of people all fall into the internet misinformation pipeline and I don't think Kanye is any different - he just has the largest platform. He's no more mentally ill than your uncle who believed COVID was a hoax. Everything he is saying is currently "mainstream" conservative ideology, his talking points are lifted directly from Candace Owens who is employed by The Daily Wire, which is run by the most famous conservative personality, Ben Shapiro, (maybe after Tucker Carlson).

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

> but I can see almost anyone falling into the exact same trap hes fallen into if they lived his life. Kanye is a garden variety manic-depressive. It has likely been exacerbated by stress and self-medicating with the wrong drugs, causing instability, paranoia and delusion. Bipolar disorder is genetic, it doesn't develop due to no one being able to say "no" to them. What you are describing, however, is one way that Na…

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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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>Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? One such was, according to him, an occasion when "they handcuffed him, drugged him, put him on the bed". Now despite this, I also don't agree with just handwaving the discussions then, like, oh he's mad, so everything strange thing he does must be because of that. I think that it's perfectly valid to be mentally ill on o…

> Even the "standard" way to recognize and classify mental disorders, the DSM-5, changes from one edition to the other. Meaning, the definition of mental illness is within some social context or norm. Historically, homosexuality was deemed a mental illness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_DSM

Absolutely, and also the field itself is constantly developing.
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