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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by dvngnt_ »

cloutchaser wrote: post #219
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Underlying your point there is an assumption that Chinese government = American government in it's misuse of data etc. I don't think this is true. And I've run a privacy advocate organisation and I'm a complete Snowden fanboy. But if I had to choose between giving my data to the CCP or the American government, the choice is easy. Even though a lot of data collection was done without warrants in the USA, there's been…

China can't do anything that the US government cant already do. I'd rather China have my data as they can't touch me

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by PhantomBKB »

danenania wrote: post #475
PhantomBKB wrote: post #370

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There's clearly a strong opposition against gun control in US, so the fact that the media is downplaying the shootouts by comparing it to natural disasters is not surprising. But keep in mind, while Americans find it to be a commonality, it's rare to see news like this in other parts of the world: "...but students don’t need the active-shooter drills now conducted in over 95 percent of the nation’s schools..." Active…

Reporting the actual data is not "downplaying". And the notion that the US media downplays school shootings is about as wrong as you could possibly be. Have you ever watched US news? School shootings get 24/7 coverage for weeks. "Active shooter drills? In schools? You folk live in a first world country but act like you are living in an active warzone" These things happen due to the same kind of fear mongering and sta…

Well, idk about you, but I hear of at least one school shooting in the US every week. Statistically, the numbers might not be much, but it sure caused 95% of schools to enforce active shooter drills, no?

> A majority of the US population supports stronger gun control. Unfortunately, in our political system, that's not sufficient to make it happen.

Isn't US a democracy? If majority of the population supports stronger gun control, it should be easy to pass.

Anyway, I don't mean to put you on the defensive. I understand that you love your country.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by duxup »

mbg721 wrote: post #537
duxup wrote: post #462

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The US runs hardly any businesses… and yet it clearly matters to China if the business is Chinese regarding if you get to run a social media company locally… It still matters.

China and the US are converging to a disturbing (to me at least) degree, in the sense that the big-player companies are intertwined with the national government; the US is kind of in denial about that.

"converging"

It's not like that hasn't already been a part of history for a long time.

More or less just depends on your POV.

I do think that how it works from nation to nation is very different.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by arroz »

atwood22 wrote: post #460
kergonath wrote: post #454

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> I’m not sure you know what 0 sum is. “Zero-sum game is a mathematical representation in game theory and economic theory of a situation which involves two sides, where the result is an advantage for one side and an equivalent loss for the other” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-sum_game > Zero sum doesn’t mean you can’t exchange money for goods and services. Zero-sum means that when I win, the other party loses.…

Yes, zero sum means a gain for one is a loss for another. But you’re not gaining or losing when you buy something. The seller isn’t gaining or losing either. You’re both trading like for like. Again, zero sum does not imply like for like trades are impossible.

>>> The basis of the capitalist system is that price is set based off of worth to the sellers and buyers. Yes, I am arguing purely on price, because the price takes into account many different factors like the liability of holding stock and the utility of drinking with friends.

Pricing isn’t perfect. It is typically the same for all. If I hadn’t been drinking water for a whole day, I would probably buy it anywhere I could and pay whatever the price. If I really need a medicine to live, I would probably pay whatever the price as long as I can afford it. And there are more examples of this

So, if something prices at 5 dollars, it can be worth more than 5 dollars to the seller and / or the buyer

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by narag »

honkdaddy wrote: post #397
diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #388

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Sorry if other languages aren’t permissible. I can delete it if I need to.

I don't think it's against the rules at all; we had a thread a couple weeks ago which ended up being mostly in German. We native speakers enjoy the privilege of reading English nearly every where we go online, it should be no skin off our back to pop open Google Translate every once in a while.

I'm not a native speaker, but I understand English better than German or Russian. Sometimes it makes sense to write something in other languages, sometimes it doesn't. It should be a matter of common sense and politeness more than about the rules.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by AlexandrB »

FreqSep wrote: post #464
bamboozled wrote: post #217

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> Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to the government. Yes western governments are totally full of shit too, the proof of this is that Julian Assange is still be…

> Yes western governments are totally full of shit too, the proof of this is that Julian Assange is still being crucified for leaking information, for being a whistle blower. That’s just not true. Many leakers and whistle blowers aren’t prosecuted every year. Julian Assange is a pretty transparent Russian asset and has been for a number of years. There’s a reason he never leaks anything that is negative of Putin. Mea…

> Meanwhile if it’s anti-American he leaks it in full without taking any standard journalist precautions.

If it's true, what does saying it's anti-American mean? Would you rather be in the dark about shady shit your government is doing?

It's entirely possible that he just has better access to US sources than Russian ones.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by cruano »

tablespoon wrote: post #474
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

> The differentiator here is national security

Because no one can hack Facebook and get that data anyway? hell, maybe they don't even need to

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by dahart »

lakomen wrote: post #545
lakomen wrote: post #532

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Are they? Which companies are those?

What? Am I not allowed to question this ridiculous claim?

Are you referring to the claim that there are western tech companies blocked in mainland China? This is a well known fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by hiidrew »

honkdaddy wrote: post #397
diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry if other languages aren’t permissible. I can delete it if I need to.

I don't think it's against the rules at all; we had a thread a couple weeks ago which ended up being mostly in German. We native speakers enjoy the privilege of reading English nearly every where we go online, it should be no skin off our back to pop open Google Translate every once in a while.

Love this framing
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