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A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by daveslash »

vizzier wrote: post #127
robonerd wrote: post #110

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Cults like this generally target and recruit damaged or otherwise vulnerable people. Also, they generally keep the crazy dialed down to a minimum in the beginning, then slow boil people over the course of several years. It often starts with "love bombing"; the cult heaps positive attention and praise on somebody who is unaccustomed to receiving anything like that.

Though a bit tongue in cheek this classic video covers the basics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBK5aKOr2Fw

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Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by anon291 »

rsynnott wrote: post #542
olddustytrail wrote: post #535

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That doesn't seem right either. Do you actually have any evidence for what you're saying?

... I mean, what did you think the Spanish Inquisition was up to? Being particularly careless with matches? For instance, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-da-fé (This wasn't unique to Spain, but Spain was certainly an epicenter, due to a large Jewish population forcibly converted during and after the Reconquista)

I'm not going to excuse the church, but this was actually the civil punishment. The church just declared you an apostate or not, and civil authorities would punish you (BTW, most European countries still have similar laws with just lesser punishments and no church involvement... IIRC, blasphemy is still a prosecutable crime in Germany)

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by olddustytrail »

rsynnott wrote: post #542
olddustytrail wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't seem right either. Do you actually have any evidence for what you're saying?

... I mean, what did you think the Spanish Inquisition was up to? Being particularly careless with matches? For instance, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-da-fé (This wasn't unique to Spain, but Spain was certainly an epicenter, due to a large Jewish population forcibly converted during and after the Reconquista)

The Spanish Inquisition was civil, not church. The link you provided states that explicitly.

I repeat: Do you actually have any evidence for what you're saying?

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by hinkley »

woodruffw wrote: post #429
hinkley wrote: post #427

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And MLMs aren't pyramid schemes. At some point you have organizations that are doing the exact bare minimum to dodge a more unsavory classification. The Rule of Law can't legislate being a good person. It can only legislate not being a monster.

I'm not interested in legislating the exact qualities of a "good person." I'm pointing out that, from a case law perspective, Google is entirely in clear to fire these people. The categorical question of "is X a cult" doesn't impinge on whether The Fellowship of Friends is a cult, which it is.

Note I said what the Rule of Law can't do, not whether it succeeded in doing anything.

A Fortune 500 company I worked for had anti-discrimination training that said it was okay to discriminate against 45 year olds. And their harassment training said that it's not illegal for a bisexual manager to flirt with or grabass everyone because they're not being selective about it. I hope to god some later employees figured out how twisted both of those were and that, even if they are both true, you shouldn't call attention to it in ethics training, ffs.

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Post by rendall »

cpncrunch wrote: post #523
ineedasername wrote: post #324

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Lot's of people do get worked up about scientology and I know people who won't watch Tom Cruise in a movie. Besides, "$X group also does bad things" is a shitty cop out of an excuse to avoid doing something about another group. There's probably not much Google can do about sexual assault/trafficking claims but they can do something about the hiring/firing practices along with crooked procurement practices.

Does this group actually do bad things though? Is there any actual evidence? I don't think there is anything wrong with suggesting people you know to get hired. If anything the author of this blog post caused his own problems when he blew this up into a big deal and made a lot of accusations based on decades old unproven allegations. Buying the wine from this group seems to be the only possible issue. If he had simpl…

It's not even from their group. It's from a winery run by an ex-member

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by rendall »

rl3 wrote: post #373
rendall wrote: post #361

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> certainly protecting his own paycheck either way Yeah, no. He did not protect his paycheck. He did the opposite.

> Yeah, no. He did not protect his paycheck. He did the opposite. Admittedly my wording was a bit ambiguous, to clarify: I was referring to the manager's intent [by not taking action]. Granted your statement's probably true either way at this point.

True that

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by olddustytrail »

rsynnott wrote: post #541
olddustytrail wrote: post #533

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Did the Catholic church in Ireland have a register of people who were Catholic? Which other countries have this? I've just never heard of such a thing.

Generally record-keeping would be on a parish level, but yes, it's normal for Catholic parishes to keep records on this.

Are you referring to a record of Christenings? Like every church everywhere would keep?

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by rsynnott »

olddustytrail wrote: post #553
rsynnott wrote: post #542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... I mean, what did you think the Spanish Inquisition was up to? Being particularly careless with matches? For instance, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-da-fé (This wasn't unique to Spain, but Spain was certainly an epicenter, due to a large Jewish population forcibly converted during and after the Reconquista)

The Spanish Inquisition was civil, not church. The link you provided states that explicitly. I repeat: Do you actually have any evidence for what you're saying?

I mean, it was under the control of the monarch, but used canon law, and was lead by a senior cleric, typically an archbishop or cardinal.

If it helps, though, the Roman Inquisition, an organ of the Church, also liked to burn the odd apostate.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by olddustytrail »

rsynnott wrote: post #558
olddustytrail wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Spanish Inquisition was civil, not church. The link you provided states that explicitly. I repeat: Do you actually have any evidence for what you're saying?

I mean, it was under the control of the monarch, but used canon law, and was lead by a senior cleric, typically an archbishop or cardinal. If it helps, though, the Roman Inquisition, an organ of the Church, also liked to burn the odd apostate.

What Canon law are you referring to? What exactly was led by a senior cleric?

Frankly, it sounds as though you are randomly spouting phrases in an attempt to sound educated.

Re: A religious sect landed Google in a lawsuit

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Post by incompatible »

anon291 wrote: post #520
trasz wrote: post #518

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According to Church themselves, apostasy does not make one leave the Church.

The tests the courts use is whether you can actually physically leave control of the organization. Having your name written down or having a spiritual belief that some ritual is permanent, etc, doesn't count as not being able to leave. Are you asking the court to make a judgement on theological matters (i.e., the state of your soul)? Surely you can see why they don't care.

Not being able to physically leave would be kidnapping, surely? That would make them a criminal organization, not just a "cult".
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