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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by ricw »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #403
DonHopkins wrote: post #137

I got an M1 Macbook Pro, and yeah, the processor is fast and cool and all that, but the most absolutely wonderful thing about it by far is that there's no touchbar!

I really, really, really want to like the touchbar, but it just isn't useful to me. I wish they'd put some serious effort into improving it.

Agreed. There were minor use cases were it was delightful to use (able to swipe & adjust brightness or volume). But overall it was just useless.

You weren't even able to skip to the next song, like you can on the old function keys. Play & skip to next song are probably my most used buttons, one of which never stand-alone existed on the Touch Bar.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by jrochkind1 »

godelski wrote: post #485

Why does the 13" Pro have a 720p camera and the Air have a 1080p? Seriously, why is Apple still putting in 720p cameras? This has to be a mistake, right? Edit: Also the pro is missing the magsafe charger. Are they phasing out the 13" pro? Pro: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ Air: https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-m2/specs/

The new M2 13" pro is in exactly the same unit as the old Intel 13" pro I guess, just with a different processor?

It's also the only "new" M1 or M2 machine with touchbar (seems to have been dropped elsewhere) and without the new magsafe.

It seems to be kind of a mistake, and a mistake to buy it.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by mrob »

coder543 wrote: post #548
mrob wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand perfectly that "visually lossless" was chosen to emotionally manipulate people by triggering positive associations with the word "lossless", despite not actually being lossless, or even transparent. Language is lossy, but that does not excuse corporations twisting it further in their attempts to exploit you.

Who is being exploited in this situation? I've never heard of anyone successfully selling a product because DSC is "visually lossless". It's a short explanation for a complicated technology, on the rare occasion that anyone googles DSC to try to understand what it is. Your continued use of inflammatory and frankly incorrect language isn't helping your case. If this is "exploitative" marketing language that is "lying"…

"High fidelity lossy" would be an honest name.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by jrochkind1 »

enduser wrote: post #537
michael1999 wrote: post #506

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remember 14" is more like a 13" with a narrower bezel.

The 14" is a tank compared to the 13"

I have a new M1 14" MBP, and an old 2015(!) Intel 13" MBP.

They are pretty much exactly the same height/width, if you put one on top of the other they line up close to perfectly. The 14" just has less bezel.

The M1 14" is thicker and heavier though.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by meowtimemania »

ricw wrote: post #549
darkteflon wrote: post #504

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To clarify, you’re talking about the 13” Pro only. But yeah, total mystery to me why they’re still selling it. It made sense in 2020 on the cusp of the Intel/Silicon transition, but now that we already have the redesigned 14”, don’t really understand what they’re doing here. Who would buy one of these? The Touch Bar is an evolutionary dead-end, and the design of the new 14” and 16” Pros seemed specifically targeted a…

Simple answer: price. 13in pro starts at $1299. The newer 14in starts at $1999.

Why purchase a 13in pro over the m2 chip air?

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by debug-desperado »

mikepurvis wrote: post #209
mathstuf wrote: post #172

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I like the XPS 13 line myself. The 93xx line lasted all night when I forgot to shut the lid one evening (9+ hours) with Fedora (after running `powertop` and doing its tweaks). But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware (the trackpad, touchbar, keyboard, mouse, etc. are all inferior IMO), so maybe you're looking for something different there.

I'm currently on my first and last XPS, a 9570. I really wanted to love it, but there's just too much about it that is a complete disaster, particularly around power management, wake behaviour, and thermals. I know I haven't exactly babied it, what with it having been plugged in in my home office for basically two straight years during the pandemic, but the battery is shot at this point— getting barely an hour of lif…

Same issue with power here on my 9570! In fact I just checked after one month of plugged-in non-use, turning it on resulted in dead battery in The other thing that has driven me crazy is the wide-gamut 4K screen. The text is nice and crisp, but good luck with sRGB content. Basically all content for non Adobe professionals is fubar'd. I eventually made the situation tolerable by finding an old version of Dell PremierColor and using its sRGB profile (newer versions of the software on Microsoft Store quit working on the 9570 and the color profiles do nothing - imagine that). Still get terrible color banding and crushed blacks, and I'm not even sure investing in a colorimeter would fix it.

Overall I've come to the same conclusion as you. In 2018 this was a $2000 machine (Costco price below retail), and I also can't justify giving Dell another chance.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

skohan wrote: post #420
shepherdjerred wrote: post #408

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Single threaded performance is very useful for gaming, but I agree that the M1 is so fast that anything faster is just a bonus.

Which games can you even play on a mac?

Lots! On my base model Mac Mini ($700, M1, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD) I've played League of Legends, Factorio, Stelaris, Civilization 6. All of them have native offerings for macOS, and the experience isn't too different from Windows.

It's not a great choice for gamers, but for people that only play games casually/occasionally it's a surprisingly good choice.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by ShamelessC »

seabriez wrote: post #488
anonymouse008 wrote: post #105

It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

LMAO yeah 8 GB - 256 Laptop for $1200 is "killing it;" duping consumers definitely from day 1.

You're aware that Apple silicon is currently much faster than Intel?
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