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Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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I'm curious: how do the "weird ones" do? The outsiders, contrarians, the ones who don't quite fit in and who might even take pleasure in not caring about social media?

> I'm curious: how do the "weird ones" do? The outsiders, contrarians, the ones who don't quite fit in and who might even take pleasure in not caring about social media? Anecdotally, really really well! based on Haidt's watershed of 2009 I'm seeing what's in the pipeline at bachelors and masters level education 10-12 years on. Most of my L6 and L7 are young adults aged around 20-25. They've either had about a decade…

>Things have flipped so that technology overuse is now normative, and the "geeky" thing to do is be moderate, circumspect and sceptical.

Hearing this, even anecdotally, makes me sigh with relief. What is your impression of their lives? Do they hang out with each other, or with normies, in RL, or just spend a lot of time alone?

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#552

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> Diversity is good, but being ____ is bad. Can you fill in the blank? I actually have no idea what you are referring to here.

In my mind it stood for things like "risk-seeking" or "adventurous", basically being a kid. Not everything has to be political.

Okay thanks, that actually works here. I'm still not sure it's what OP meant, but I prefer to assume apolitical motivation unless otherwise stated, so I like your interpretation. I actually couldn't get what he was trying to say, not trying to posture.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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There are a lot of decisive action ideas to combat climate change (and a host of other issues). Right now out of the top of my head: - impose a maximum limit on size, weight and fuel consumption of cars, ban SUVs and pickup trucks (and no, a tax won't work because the rich will simply buy their "freedom"). Exceptions only upon proof of need (e.g. commercial or farming usage). - ban all inner-country flights of less t…

> and no, a tax won't work because the rich will simply buy their "freedom If the tax is enough to cover CO2 sequestration, where is the problem? > entirely ban naval cruise ships unless fueled by renewable fuel Why not the same exemption for sub 2-hour flights?

> If the tax is enough to cover CO2 sequestration, where is the problem?

Social unrest, plain and simple. When the rich can continue their lives as usual and only the poors have to rein in their life style, there will eventually be riots. We're already seeing social unrest with the election results for the 45th in the US and the very near election of le Pen in France that runs on precisely this ideological framework.

Besides, we need to reduce the total CO2 emissions to keep the 2°C target, not just keeping the current emission amount.

> Why not the same exemption for sub 2-hour flights?

Same as above, plus the reduction in noise for the people living next to airports, and (more an issue in Europe) reduce the amount of space that is needed for airports. A high speed train is way more efficient in terms of energy, CO2 emissions and required staffing than an airplane is.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

> The stakes are too high. View the wrong website on your chromebook and get referred to law enforcement Whoever implemented the surveillance of children should burn in hell. Since that probably doesn't exist the next prison with strong similarities should be chosen. You teach them that this kind of 24/7 surveillance is normal and I think they have enough problems with peer pressure through social media. You also tea…

> I could understand it until age 10 perhaps but at some point you want your kids to be independent.

There's surveillance (parental supervision) and then there's "surveillance" (corporate psycos / overbearing governments).

You want your kids to learn independence in a gradual and some what safe / controlled way (not too safe of course). There are still some things I don't want them exposed to at age 10. Unfortunately unsupervised internet isn't the best option here. Outsourcing it to tech is a really bad choice for sure. You need to be present as a parent to help them navigate and answer questions. If you aren't, then some youtuber (or worse) will do it for you. There's also an argument that being present as a parent has become harder than ever on average for economic reasons (double income, wage stagnation, inflation, etc.), and also the problem that many parents have no clue how to navigate the internet responsibly themselves.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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> What about kids who didn’t have a yard where they could play? > Those whose parents lost their jobs? If you acknowledge that, you should also acknowledge that heir only window to the outside World was a screen where some a*hole from Dubai whose only purpose was selling themselves and the things they were dressing to their "followers" for money, was saying all day that "we're gonna be fine" and then we didn't, "we a…

> What saved him? > He could only look at himself and his own life, if it somewhat improved he could notice, if it somewhat got worse, he could hope things could change for the better, as they did so many times before. Yes, but not only that. He also saw that he was better off than his parents and that throughout the years his life improved significantly, while a 30-year-old today is worse off than their parents and,…

> while a 30-year-old today is worse off than their parents and, rightly or not, feels that life is getting worse every year.

my question is: are they actually?

because if we factor in what it meant to live when their parents lived, are they really worse?

I'm not particularly richer monetary wise than my parents were at my age, but I earn a lot more money than they did, that I spend in a lot of things that didn't even exist back then.

My parents have never been on a flight before they were 65.

Also, my parents had some State benefit for being health care workers, but hey were working shifts of 5 consecutive days / 12 hours a shift, with two children at home.

That's not how medical profession works anymore, shifts are 8 hours maximum in 24 hours and workers have to rest at least 12 hours before going to work again. That means a night shift every 2 days maximum.

> What if I become sick and I can’t provide for my family? What will be of my child in such a toxic environment?

That's the same environment your kids are living in though, I'd say that passing onto them the idea that you have to provide for your family or you literally risk to die at such young age is the most profound damage social networks have produced to younger generations.

In my country that would not happen, health care is provided for everybody, especially those who can't afford it, but younger generations that grew up on social networks feels that they are in your same situation: if they don't succeed in life they'll be screwed forever. But since we leave in the post-truth neo-speak era, they also believe that there are opportunities to become rich everywhere, and the only way to *not* become rich is to get a job. Job is for losers with no talent, passion, vision and/or self respect.

Of course it's not their fault, it's what the modern pied pipers (the so called influencer) are teaching them, unfiltered, there's literally no way to shield them from that crap.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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post #545

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While the risks you bring up are valid, many of them are not new but amplifications of preexisting ones. In the past, children have largely managed to navigate these on their journey to adulthood. An unsolved problem with social media: it's an amplification of parking lot scuttlebutt. It will entice you to see catastrophe and share it with others. Perhaps despite your position on this, you are being affected more tha…

Another amplification is that many many parents haven't even solved this problem for themselves. How are they going to help their kids navigate social media use when they're pissing about on Instagram, and retweeting outrage garbage, etc.

Indeed, one generation breaking the loop can support the next. Perhaps the antidote to social media is regularly sharing with your children: it doesn't matter what Alice or Bob think of you, ignore them and do what you enjoy most with this gift of life.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Ofc it is plummeting. We are letting them install apps that have people behind them with the sole job of making them more addictive. We are handing them drugs, multiple variants if I may say so. I had to fight with my daughter for TikTok and whatnot, she is only allowed with YouTube due to school/tutorials/classes etc and I still find myself pretty often having to snap her out of shorts and other bs with an algorithm…

> I had to fight with my daughter for TikTok and whatnot, she is only allowed with YouTube due to school/tutorials/classes etc this is very bad, the problem is not tiktok, she finds an escape thanks to tiktok, don't remove that from her talk to her, talk to her teacher if she doesn't have problems at school with other kids > Our kids are being milked of their time, attention, imagination, focus and money. The majorit…

>that's an education problem, it is your fault, not theirs or some apps

Honestly, do you think parents are able to effectively counter literal billion-dollar companies that pour resources into making sure their apps are engaging (read: addictive)? How?

We've taken a hard-line stance with our kids and have explained/educated them on every aspect of social media, attention, and addictive programs. And we're still losing the fight. I genuinely think people massively underestimate how addictive many apps are, especially to developing minds that are constantly seeking novelty.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#558
The cause isn’t social media, social media simply prevents the terrible shit going on from being filtered out of their awareness by major news orgs. The cause is rampant disregard for looming environmental devastation, a society that is feudal at best, and the sense that everyone running the world hasn’t got a clue and so has siloed themselves into their small set of responsibilities and disregards every other axis of thought and concern. The kids see what’s wrong. The large scale effort to throw pills and other off the shelf mental health suppressive treatments at them is only masking their legitimate anxiety and reasonable loss of all sense of order and a future within the context presented them by the hapless adults. Kids are spot on to be freaking out, and honestly they would be justified in trying to grind the entire society to a halt until these issues are taken seriously.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#559

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> Diversity is good, but being ____ is bad. Can you fill in the blank? I actually have no idea what you are referring to here.

We like to “celebrate diversity”, but if you diverge from whatever the people in charge are doing, or worse, whatever they think you should be doing, you’re very much on the outside. Kids and teenagers need stability and trust. As adults, we’re bad at fostering that environment in our institutions for a variety of reasons.

What does it mean to "diverge from whatever the people in charge are doing", with respect to diversity?

Considering your overall comment, my initial response is, well, in school I did, and everyone else constantly did, things that pissed off the people in charge. Pushing the envelope has always been part of being a teenager. Exploring the boundaries is how they begin to understand society and their relation to it. Enforcing rules and making teens see why some actions are okay and some are wrong, is part of the whole idea of teaching and nurturing and bringing up healthy adults.

However, I'm not sure how any of this applies to "diversity".

In any case, I get the overall sentiment that there is not enough stability, but doesn't this just stem from adults in fact not agreeing with each other on what the rules are/should be? What can be done about that? Adults will always disagree on basic principles, because having a personal point of view is part of being human. Perhaps the earlier kids learn that, and that they have to start forming their own opinions, the better.

The important thing is to guide them on forming those opinions, for example helping them be informed opinions instead of "gut feelings", helping them distrust what they read online for instance, and helping them pick up clues on when to trust or distrust a source. It's too bad that even adults are bad at that, though. (I include myself here.) I think the problem is also that we are _all_ learning that skill these days, not just kids.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#560

Unpopular opinion: Social media is a great scapegoat, but it is not the source of the problem. It is where they go to communicate and cope. My sole qualification to post this: I have four kids that are either teens or in their early 20s, and one who will be a teen next year. Here is what I see out there: 1. Kids have little or no slack in their schedule. This means very little freedom, and very little time to work th…

> Diversity is good, but being ____ is bad. Can you fill in the blank? I actually have no idea what you are referring to here.

I assume they mean for you to insert any minority? Black, brown, whatever. With words companies and schools and whatever like to be diverse and woke, but their actions are often the opposite. I'm just guessing.
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