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Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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> The entire purpose of this organization was to provide pediatric healthcare, and it wasn’t losing money… If it's entire purpose was to provide pediatric healthcare it should probably have registered itself as a not-for-profit.

Why register as a not-for-profit when you’re profitable?

> Why register as a not-for-profit when you’re profitable?

If your purpose isn't to return a profit to stakeholders, but to serve some social purpose eligible for charity nonprofit status plus like “pediatric healthcare”, registering as a nonprofit gives you more surplus revenue because of tax exemption and the ability to accept donations that are tax deductible for the donors.

It’s also often good PR.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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We’re facing some massive generational crises at this point, and it feels like the only solution is to wait for the current leadership to die off, and hope the gen x’ers fix it. The WWII generation fixed the ozone hole, but their kids didn’t lift a finger for global warming. Subsequent generations are scrambling to pick up the pieces for our kids, while crap like this, and our rapidly collapsing democracy keep sabota…

> The WWII generation fixed the ozone hole, but their kids didn’t lift a finger for global warming. Let's not pretend these are comparable challenges. > our rapidly collapsing democracy keep sabotaging our efforts. When people say stuff like this, are they being hyperbolic or do they actually mean it? How long is the democratic tradition in the US that is collapsing?

If they’re not being hyperbolic, they might be reacting to stories like this:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/j-michael-luttig-op-ed-ja...

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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capitalism is the reason for hospitals choosing to serve patients covered by Medicare which will give them a blank check with tax payer money?

Medicare is not a blank check. It's a standard check (see sibling comment on fee schedules), and each check tends to actually be quite low of an amount.

The magnitude of "standard" and "low" are both demonstrated by the fact that when private insurers negotiate pricing contracts (basically, a one-off fee schedule) with hospital groups, they express prices in terms of "medicare multiples".

For example, the insurer will pay up to 13x of what Medicare pays for an fMRI administered under non-emergent circumstances with medically-justifiable cause. Pretty much every multiple is >1x, many are far more than 10x.

And medicare is arguably more expensive to provide, since the probability of confounding issues from disability or age is higher than in the general insured population.

Medicare is very consistent with paying, especially in comparison to private insurance, but the a la carte fees are quite "low" by relatively-freer-market definitions (I say relatively, because the reality is that private insurers negotiating with hospital groups is the antithesis of a free market, in most conceivable dimensions).

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The main reason medical groups lobby against "medicare for all" is that they will lose lucrative "20xM" payouts from private insurers, and it's difficult to see how their ballooning administrative costs can survive on such a lean diet.

Of course, this line of thinking is deliberately ignorant of the thought that medicare fee schedules can be renegotiated to reflect the population of patients "medicare for all" would incorporate. But nobody's interested in thinking two turns ahead, let alone advancing the game state, when their pockets are nicely-lined on turn zero.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Jfc that is terrible.

Worse, the family of the victim had apparently forgiven the nurse for her mistake and didn't want criminal prosecution. This was driven purely by the state prosecutor.

it was the county DA and he's up for reelection this year

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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Not to be mean, but 'leave nursing' and then what ? Nursing is a well paying middle-class job without a lot of transferable skills to other professions. Don't say programming. It isn't the solution to everything. Other low-entry-barrier jobs pay much less and have exploitation problems of their own. For a lot of middle class families, dual income is essential to maintain their lifestyle. So SAHM is not an option. Nur…

> Nursing is a well paying

Only in a vaccuum. It pays far worse than other jobs at the same rate given the effort and stress the job entails.

> don't they get more leverage on what QOL and wages they can demand ?

Sure, but it needs to get far worse. The hospitals are only going to budge once walkouts are organized. But that can't happen without strong unions, most nurses just need to pay the bills which is why they continue to put up with it.

I'm not sure you understand who has the leverage. The hospitals can let healthcare deteriorate far beyond current expectations. They still get paid in the end. The environment for patients and nurses will only get worse.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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I've spent a fair amount of time talking with nurses about the problems. I'm related to a bunch of people who are nurses across disciplines (ER, ICU, med/surg, etc). It's been enlightening hearing them talk about the problems... 1. Many new nurses make the same or more and long time nurses. It's frustrating when the nurse in charge with the most experience is making less than new nurses. Some hospitals are even tryin…

The one I think you are missing is that nurses are and have been overworked for a WHILE now. (that's what I get from /r/nursing) Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more. With covid hitting, this blew out the number of nurses needed resulting in a lot of "I know you've already worked 60 hours, but can you do another 20? we are short!". Rather than hiring permanent people or up…

> Hospitals have made sure they hire JUST ENOUGH nurses to cover shifts and no more.

This is a two-edged sword. If you hire more than you need, the nurses' hours will be cut during normal situations and they won't make enough money. If hospitals don't cut extra hours and instead keep the staff on the clock, a public scandal will erupt surrounding well-paid medical professionals sitting around doing nothing.

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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I believe you can even be personally liable for HIPPA security violations as a user or dev of a healthcare system. That seems a bit scary. I agree that regulation persuades people not to do things out of fear of breaking the law. We see this in it's intentional form with regulation of other things such as abortion, guns, etc. Put so many laws in place that risk of accidentally breaking one and receiving an extensive…

> I believe you can even be personally liable for HIPPA security violations as a user or dev of a healthcare system. Welcome to being an engineer, if that's what you want to call yourself. The engineer who approves a bridge design can be held liable if it collapses due to a design fault.

Generally the firm's insurance will cover an engineer since they are a "professional". Software "engineers" generally have not been individually liable for bugs. Usually the software user agreements don't allow for this sort of thing.

Basically, contracts can control the liability in most cases, but HIPPA prevents that by explicitly defining liability under the statute.

Here's some info on the engineer portion.

https://www.nspe.org/resources/professional-liability/liabil...

Re: Report: 90% of nurses considering leaving the profession in the next year

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here in germany nurses make 15€ And in switzerland nearly the double. I can understand their frustration and those who can leave or get new jobs.

Something that should always be considered is US healthcare is an expensive nightmare. Public healthcare is a HUGE benefit that I think a lot of outside of US people underestimate. (And no, nurses don't get free healthcare from their hospitals. They have the same terrible insurance everyone else gets). For example, I have to pay $9000 a year BEFORE my insurance starts covering healthcare costs. (at $5000 my insurance…

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