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Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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People are overlooking the fact that a poison pill will likely increase the price of Musk's final offer, and in doing so will maximize shareholder value. Put another way, Musk may be willing to pay a lot more than a 25% premium for Twitter (he already said he doesn't care about price). Without this poison pill, Musk can force a takeover by accumulating shares. With this poison pill, the board has leverage to maximize…

He said it's not an economic decision, that doesn't mean price he pays isn't considered; he also said it's his final offer, whether that's just presenting a firm stance as a negotiating tactic or not, I don't know; ~$40 billion investment (far less) could create a better platform than Twitter with mass but it wouldn't be a head start that it looks like he's wanting to buy.

40 billion is the price of existing users and brand. Almost anyone can create a platform even with less than million.

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from what i understand it's a matter of ideals combined with the technologist's desire to see the machines (all types, including sociopolitical) work correctly. he wants to see the first amendment function with autistic precision. he wants to remove any messy personalization because it interferes with that purity. he wants fully transparent moderation and proof of fairness. he doesn't like the idea that one organizat…

I have this recurring fantasy in which some Satoshi figure creates a decentralized global bulletin board, such that anybody can post and view anything anonymously and untraceably, and nobody - not the U.S. government, nor the CCP, nor the Mossad, nor the NSA - can stop it short of dismantling the whole Internet and starting over. Nobody can blame anybody, because nobody can stop it. Not because I think such a thing i…

It breaks immediately.

Somebody writes a unlock euqivalent and maintains ban lists. Everyone subscribes, because otherwise it's full of ads, spam, and edgy 14 year olds repeating slurs like it's Xbox live.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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I don’t understand how any board can implement a “poison pill”, not just Twitter but Netflix and others, and not be found working against the interest of shareholders. Can anyone help me understand? You’re categorically changing the profile of the stock. This has a chilling effect on large investors, including but not limited just to Musk, right? Vanguard, for example, has just had its range of further investment lim…

As a Netflix shareholder at the time they adopted their poison pill, I feel like the subsequent ~40x increase in share price has been very much in my interest. :-) Of course hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time, it seemed like the company was prioritizing long-term growth, whereas if they were taken over by Carl Icahn, they'd certainly not be.

Twitter definitely isn’t Netflix. It’s been a dog since IPO, languished under a part time disinterested CEO, and only peaked because of the pandemic meme stock era.

As an individual and index shareholder I’d love for Musk to take it away at a premium, I have zero faith management will do anything positive.

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So, I'm not very corporate savvy and this might be a very stupid question. Is there a NON-culture/political reason for all the push back against Musk buying Twitter? From the read, this just seem to be opening the door for someone else to try and take majority control and pining away for the days of Dorsey (which, if looked at objectively, weren't great... just filling an opportunity).

The pushback is simple: Twitter stock price was higher than Musk’s offer for most of 2021. We are in a downturn affecting the entire tech industry, and it’s likely that prices will return to previous levels at some point. Elon’s offer is a lowball and Twitter can bring more value to shareholders with or without Elon.

The high price was due to COVID and everyone being stuck inside. That’s over now and has been for some time.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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I have this recurring fantasy in which some Satoshi figure creates a decentralized global bulletin board, such that anybody can post and view anything anonymously and untraceably, and nobody - not the U.S. government, nor the CCP, nor the Mossad, nor the NSA - can stop it short of dismantling the whole Internet and starting over. Nobody can blame anybody, because nobody can stop it. Not because I think such a thing i…

This is 4chan. Your recurring fantasy is 4chan

Absolutely not. They regularly turn over IP logs to law enforcement for various reasons.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Every company I know of that did a poison pill to prevent a takeover wound up tanking within a year or two and the shareholders wound up with sand. As a Twitter shareholder myself, the board is making a big mistake. As a legal matter, I don't understand how a board could sell shares to other shareholders at a lower price than to the entity wanting to buy shares to gain control.

90% of Twitter stock is held by institutional investors. Feel free to sell your shares. No one will notice.

Did I give the impression anyone would? I pointed out that I have a financial stake in Twitter in order to show that I have skin in the game that contributes to my pontifications on the topic. I'm not merely a disinterested observer.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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from what i understand it's a matter of ideals combined with the technologist's desire to see the machines (all types, including sociopolitical) work correctly. he wants to see the first amendment function with autistic precision. he wants to remove any messy personalization because it interferes with that purity. he wants fully transparent moderation and proof of fairness. he doesn't like the idea that one organizat…

I have this recurring fantasy in which some Satoshi figure creates a decentralized global bulletin board, such that anybody can post and view anything anonymously and untraceably, and nobody - not the U.S. government, nor the CCP, nor the Mossad, nor the NSA - can stop it short of dismantling the whole Internet and starting over. Nobody can blame anybody, because nobody can stop it. Not because I think such a thing i…

it's a false projection though. it wouldn't be a projection of humanity -- it would be a projection of humanity warped by the games that would emerge as generations learn to cope with anonymous hyperconnectedness.

it's not some mirror that reflects who we really are, it's the chaos that comes from navigating entirely new paradigms of attention games and connectedness at scales we haven't yet evolved for.

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>I don’t understand how any board can implement a “poison pill”, not just Twitter but Netflix and others, and not be found working against the interest of shareholders. Can anyone help me understand? So let's say you put in a shareholder rights plan that allows all current shareholders to buy 10 new, discounted shares whenever a new shareholder reaches 20% ownership and for every share they buy from then on. That eff…

More likely he'll withdraw offer and sell his stake, causing share price to drop and all shareholders losing real and potential gain.

The poison pill was mostly developed at a time when the alternative was him selling all the company assets and leveraging the company to load it with as much debt as possible then give out as large a dividend as he could before selling off the stock leaving the company insolvent and everyone out of work.

So imagine a company taking $100 million in debt, giving all that out as a dividend then the stock price tanking through quick sales. Poison pill keeps the company going and avoids that fate.

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As is detailed by many smart people below, fiduciary duty lawsuits are difficult to win. They'd pretty much have to have board members emailing each other saying "This would be in the best interest of shareholders, but let's screw them over instead" This was an epic debacle. Musk invested 4 BILLION dollars in an asset of questionable value, because "free speech". If he times it right he could come out ahead financial…

> I have no idea what he was doing Would it be illegal for him to launch a Twitter competitor, take 40 million followers with him, and sell all of his Twitter shares on the same day? Perhaps that is the strategy? A 1-2-3 punch to launch his own network.

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Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Every company I know of that did a poison pill to prevent a takeover wound up tanking within a year or two and the shareholders wound up with sand. As a Twitter shareholder myself, the board is making a big mistake. As a legal matter, I don't understand how a board could sell shares to other shareholders at a lower price than to the entity wanting to buy shares to gain control.

Can you give some examples? I know one company that had the poison pill provision and did well.

Two companies I'd invested in and lost my shirt on after the pp. It left a lingering sour taste. I'd rather not name them, I'm still sore about it.
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