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Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by thesz »

glogla wrote: post #241
watwut wrote: post #228

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> What you consider misinformation and propaganda I may consider valuable vantage points. If they are actual misinformation and propaganda and you are unwilling to even admit existence of that category, then you yourself are threat to freedom - of speech or otherwise. > I also should point that any defense of the freedom of speech also defends freedom of misinformation and propaganda. Nah. Defenders of free speech no…

I agree, drowning out normal voices in fake news and bots is as much censorship as banning them outright - it is just a form of censorship that (some) free speech advocates are complicit with. But the biggest issue in my mind is that fake news, misinformation and bot bullying makes social media money, so they are never going to stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU

"The answer to the speech is... more speech"

And I agree that this is exactly the problem - winners are who have more energy and opportunity to speak. "Drowning the voices" as you pointed out.

But, how to determine which voice is normal?

Per your suspicion that fake news and misinformation make money, fact checking is alleged to make money to Facebook and fact-checking Facebook affiliates. The links on fact checking materials divert viewers from one arrticles to other and increase clicks and retention at Facebook.

Yes, you are right again - misinformation may bring money to FB, at the very least, when FB tries to fight it. I guess it is a nature of capitalism, to try to make money out of everything.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by mvc »

avgcorrection wrote: post #542
dhimes wrote: post #520

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I'm right there with you. I voted for Bush in 2000 based on his education platform; when it was clear the war was a major mistake that he wouldn't admit to, I tried to vote him out in 2004.

So you’re to blame for an illegal war started after 2000? Because that was the initial, implied claim.

Elections have consequences but electors sometimes need to come face to face with those who bear the consequences to remember that.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by HWR_14 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #258
HWR_14 wrote: post #138

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In the case of a hot war involving hundreds of thousands of troops and the 4th vs 7th largest militaries, maybe free access to papers isn't the most pressing issue.

Keeping as much communications channels open is of severe strategic interest. Transparency is a weapon of democracy. In the age of information media images can help in a war and cutting off any lines would only solidify the grasp of domestic propaganda for everyone.

There's a balancing act there. Open communications are strategic. However, bidirectional communication that can be used for cyberattacks is a weakness. I mean, how much citizen-to-citizen communication to Russians is worth compared to the cost and probability of a well-organized cyberattack.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by lostmsu »

Freya99 wrote: post #429
neonsunset wrote: post #367

1: Small website with simple JS to ddos a list of russian gov and propaganda websites. Works anywhere where those are not blocked (e.g. Ukraine). Link - https://stop-russian-desinformation.near.page/ 2. Console tool for unplanned load testing Link - https://github.com/codesenberg/bombardier/releases/tag/v1.2.... Example usage - ./bombardier-linux-amd64 --duration=240h --connections=1000 --latencies https://lenta.ru U…

Is it better to have that tab open or use LOIN directed at https://www.rt.com/

You can check using Task Manager.

That tab did not seem to generate much traffic. LOIC is outdated and I think is protected against nowadays.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by exikyut »

nevermind1337 wrote: post #422
neonsunset wrote: post #367

1: Small website with simple JS to ddos a list of russian gov and propaganda websites. Works anywhere where those are not blocked (e.g. Ukraine). Link - https://stop-russian-desinformation.near.page/ 2. Console tool for unplanned load testing Link - https://github.com/codesenberg/bombardier/releases/tag/v1.2.... Example usage - ./bombardier-linux-amd64 --duration=240h --connections=1000 --latencies https://lenta.ru U…

Update the targets with the following please: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/UndefinedProgramBehaviour/... then we can share as much as we can

NB: there is a sibling comment next to this one with an updated URL that you cannot see unless "showdead" is on

(Not linking the URL in case that's why the comment is dead)

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

jprd wrote: post #541
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #515

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This is precisely the delusion that makes America such an insane global actor. Get over yourself! The Nazis lost! The USSR won the war! Move on!

...in Europe. There was war all over the world, hence, World War. The Soviets suffered tremendously _before_ and during that war (mostly at the hands of their own gov't). They didn't fight for their gov't, they fought for their home. Please do not try and take an immensely complex topic and boil it down to the point it has no meaning. Yes, the Soviets defeated the Nazi's with some distraction, tech and assistance fro…

The Nazis are the eternal scapegoats of the Western elite mania. This mania underwrites their irrational doctrine and propaganda that defines current international affairs. And they never consider the preceding circumstances which led to the Nazis coming to power. It’s incredibly vacuous and irresponsible.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

mikeyouse wrote: post #478
sofixa wrote: post #442

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Personally that's how i interpreted her posture. It may have been all for show, but who knows.

When Hillary was running, Russia had just invaded Ukraine the first time. So Russia intervened in US elections to get someone more pliant elected. This war and any “aggressive” posture toward Russia is entirely of Moscow’s making.

Russiagate has been handily debunked, and its premise was always stupid. No country on Earth has meddled in nearly the number of foreign elections as the USA. This is universally understood history. It’s not up for debate. Only the propagandized American domestic population would have even considered Russiagate a newsworthy scandal. And only the propagandized American domestic population would have interpreted it as anything short of a failure on the part of America’s own leadership and commercialized election system.

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Post by exikyut »

culopatin wrote: post #438
baybal2 wrote: post #392

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Somebody just hacked a TV station in Vladivostok, and put a documentary about Putin's golden toilet on loop

Are there any links to a recording?

Forget the recording, I wanna see a video of it playing on an actual TV showing that it's actually displaying free-to-air signal.

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

arrrg wrote: post #339
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #211

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Oh, please! You’re just reciting the ridiculous American media. US leaders have been aggressively rallying for war with Russia for many many years, and it has been especially intense over the past few months. Putin is insane, but the US has given him every reason to believe that striking sooner than later is in his best interest. They didn’t have to do that, ya know. Americans have plenty of problems at home, and it…

It doesn’t matter if tyrants are democratically elected. And he was a tyrant, indiscriminately slaughtering protesters. Once you are violating human dignity and human rights in such an obvious way you are in no way a legitimate leader. Election victories can never be a justification for blatant human rights violations. (This doesn’t even touch on whether the election was legitimate in the first place.) Also, whatabou…

See: immanent critique.

Western liberal dogma holds that democratic consent justifies global terrorism of virtually any kind. As Chomsky says, the US state apparatus is the world’s largest terrorist organization.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by avgcorrection »

mvc wrote: post #552
avgcorrection wrote: post #542

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So you’re to blame for an illegal war started after 2000? Because that was the initial, implied claim.

Elections have consequences but electors sometimes need to come face to face with those who bear the consequences to remember that.

Voters aren’t responsible for war crimes unless war crimes were part of the election program. But blame yourself all you want. Your impotent guilt is not my problem.
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