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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by MonkeyClub »

Swizec wrote: post #353
WalterSear wrote: post #275

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IMHO, to the contrary: crafting one's message is a valid process for effective async communication.

Not if the job entails writing 50 of those per day and you can’t manage more than 5

That's a fair point, however these 50 would mostly fall in 5 or 10 categories.

A few templates, a couple of text expanders, and a brief mentoring in soft skills, active listening, and written comms would resolve any major issues.

Granted, Gaussian distribution guarantees that the above wouldn't cover all cases.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by aaron695 »

oblio wrote: post #532
aaron695 wrote: post #531

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> "My wife wrote all of those." Of course. You would never ever send an important email without getting it checked, or having someone write it, if it's not your thing. I do like the way the replies to this seem like they are frankly, retarded. I get you are single but if you don't understand how relationships work this might be a good start at retrospectively thinking about it. Relationships are about teams of two pu…

What if you need something urgent and the wife is not available? You're looking at this from the wrong angle. First that person needs to have basic competencies for their job, before involving someone else.

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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by [deleted] »

paxys wrote: post #145
cercatrova wrote: post #141

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There is a whole community about this called Overemployed [0]. Their reddit posts are quite entertaining, like this guy who works 5 jobs and is making 1.2 million a year [1]. [0] https://overemployed.com/ [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/s12c8l/i_star...

I'll caution people to take this (and the rest of Reddit) with a huge grain of salt. Subreddits like this one are almost always just creative writing.

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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by MonkeyClub »

gzer0 wrote: post #314
jakelazaroff wrote: post #194

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Dear lord, that sounds horrible. I understand the reasoning, but corresponding with people — especially in formal settings — makes me anxious, and I end up composing and re-composing (and sometimes re-re-composing) a lot of my messages. The end result isn't bad, but if I were being watched and graded in real time I'm pretty sure I'd fail.

This is commonly referred to as Yerkes-Dodson Law [1]. This is typically where one's performance, whilst performing a task and being watched while doing said task, will result in decreased output compared to if the individual was not being watched at all. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerkes%E2%80%93Dodson_law

Thanks for the formal name, I always knew it just as the "I can't go while you're watching" syndrome.

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Post by no1lives4ever »

passivate wrote: post #528
no1lives4ever wrote: post #355

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These days, equavalent salaries in india are between 1/4th to 1/2 of equavalent american or uk salary for the same job. Adjusting for cost of living is a bit tricky as there are many things which are cheaper in India, but many things that a sw developer may want to buy are not so. In general electronic items are a bit more expensive in India, but things like rent, cost of food, clothing, cost of a basic car are lesse…

>but those cars would most likely be illegal to sell in the US. When the manufacturers sell the same exact model here in India, I'm curious what you mean by illegal. Do you mean they won't pass emissions or safety?

Mostly will not pass safety or minimum equipment standards. Renault was known to sell cars in India with airbags that were inferior to what they supplied elsewhere. Indian emission laws are fairly strict but based on euro standards, so most cars should pass non ca emissions test.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by mellavora »

smm11 wrote: post #377
skeaker wrote: post #321

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I've encountered this myself as someone who maintains small open source games. Engineers with vastly more experience than I do have approached me with contributions, but needed me to walk them through installing and using git. You could tell they were good engineers because they were so eager and happy to learn it. I can't speak for how big of a demographic these types of engineers are but they certainly exist.

Uh, git is how old? "Engineers with vastly more experience" might be how old? Hate to tell you, but these engineers probably wrote code pre-Google, or pre-WWW, and actually got stuff done. Amazing, that.

Timeline of Github: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_GitHub

suggests that things really got started in 2013.

Thus anyone with over (2022 - 2013 approx 9 years) of experience might have had substantial pre-git experience.

Noting as well that even post 2013, github might not have been the default in many organizations.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by WalterBright »

dredmorbius wrote: post #550
WalterBright wrote: post #536

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The cure for performance anxiety is to do more performing until it goes away.

Or to find a position in which such performance is not required. Adaptation only goes so far. More training won't turn a dwarf into a basketball centre, or a heavyweight bodybuilder into a champion marathoner. Sometimes you've got to work with what you have, both in terms of abilities and limitations. Intellectual and psychological limitations may be less manifestly visible but are no less real.

Performance anxiety goes away with repetition. I have plenty of personal experience with that and so do many others I know. This is not a special skill. You don't have to be a champion. You just get used to doing the performance and the anxiety goes away.

Just like if you're nervous about driving on the freeway, or flying in an airplane.

Heck, I remember buying my first phone answering machine. I froze up repeatedly trying to record the message. After a while, that problem went away.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by dredmorbius »

WalterBright wrote: post #557
dredmorbius wrote: post #550

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Or to find a position in which such performance is not required. Adaptation only goes so far. More training won't turn a dwarf into a basketball centre, or a heavyweight bodybuilder into a champion marathoner. Sometimes you've got to work with what you have, both in terms of abilities and limitations. Intellectual and psychological limitations may be less manifestly visible but are no less real.

Performance anxiety goes away with repetition. I have plenty of personal experience with that and so do many others I know. This is not a special skill. You don't have to be a champion. You just get used to doing the performance and the anxiety goes away. Just like if you're nervous about driving on the freeway, or flying in an airplane. Heck, I remember buying my first phone answering machine. I froze up repeatedly…

If you're in your 20s and experiencing this, perhaps.

If you're in your 50s and it's still a constant problem, quite possibly not.

Again, people aren't infinitely malleable, and don't all fit in standard packages.

Even seasoned stage performers often face crippling anxiety before performances late in their careers. Others take their own lives, often at a young age. Dick Cavett is among those who've suffered crippling depression and taken extended leaves due to it.

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Post by Seattle3503 »

simmanian wrote: post #105
Mc91 wrote: post #81

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I work for a F100 company. We have some consulting companies working for us, who themselves sometimes subcontract contracts, to subcontracting companies who sometimes themselves subcontract contracts. One consultant (US citizen) checked the boxes of your situation. Young, graduated college recently, a sub-contracting company presents him as senior even though he had little or negligible experience before. They had hi…

I also had to sign a document saying I would end up owing the company money if I left without completing their "training" and/or basically trying my best to get placed. FWIW, I told them it would be difficult as a fresh grad to cough up that much money, and that the arrangements were not exactly as advertised. They tried to add me on linkedin, but I did not accept the request for obvious reasons. They did not pursue.

maybe it only comes into play so you dont use thd training to l3ave and get a higher paying job?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by technics256 »

zamadatix wrote: post #57
defen wrote: post #11

While I don't doubt this sort of thing happens, the following line leads me to believe that this is an exercise in creative writing by someone: > In the meantime, legal approved security to put a trace on John’s computer to review if there have been outside messages or if his work is being completed with outside help or on a different computer altogether.

If you have a corporate laptop of ours I can log into the security dashboard and see the 15th command you issued in the terminal on December 12th, which processes it spawned, which files it accessed, which servers it reached out to... and this is with standard AV software. We're not even set up for worker monitoring (nor do we have interest, our mandate is on the security side not the HR side) but I could probably pi…

Curious what system or provider you have that could do this?
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