Making the dislike count private across YouTube • Hacker News Board

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#551

Post by celdon25 » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

feoren wrote: post #488

bequanna wrote: post #386

> We’ve also heard directly from smaller creators, and those just getting started with their YouTube channel, that they are unfairly targeted by dislike attacks Wow. Well, the politically motivated truth behind this change is pretty darn obvious, right? If you're confused what I mean, check any US mainstream media video with an obvious political slant but pretending to be "objective news" and look at the like/dislike…

> an obvious political slant I think it's worth really pondering this phrase. It's the kind of thing people just toss out without really thinking about what it means, in the hopes that it will produce automatic head-nods from the reader. When you are so deeply, heavily, unwaveringly invested in a very specific idea to the extent that anything that slightly disagrees with that idea has an "obvious political slant", yo…

I can only imagine how such a speech would look like in the form of a YouTube video. Go for it! Tell us the dislike ratio.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#552

Post by registeredcorn » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

Nition wrote: post #536

I went back to look at when they first changed from star ratings to like/dislike, and it seems like they were thinking about going even further and removing the dislike option entirely even back then. They made some comments[1] before that change: > Seems like when it comes to ratings it's pretty much all or nothing. Great videos prompt action; anything less prompts indifference. Thus, the ratings system is primarily…

I'm still disappointed that they removed that feature. The star rating was superior.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#553

Post by TrianguloY » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

In the past, people needed to learn to not take random negative opinions on the internet seriously. Now they don't allow them directly.

More seriously: I can understand people feeling bad for negative opinions on their own content (it's hard and you need to feel it directly to be able to understand), however if they do want to protect creators which can't protect themselves, make it invisible for the creators themselves, like a button to "don't see dislikes on my own videos". Those creators will probably be unaware of the fact they are being disliked and learn from it, but at least viewers won't be disturbed.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#554

Post by winternett » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:45 PM UTC

Decabytes wrote: post #545

Take this with a grain of salt, but in one of Devon Nash's videos on YouTube, he mentioned (without a source) that YouTube did a study that looked at likes and dislikes. They tweaked the algorithm based on videos that were heavily liked or disliked, and what they found is that likes and dislikes don't matter (for them). It's all about engagement. So... People will hate watch someone they don't like, and comment on th…

The problem with promoting/ranking disliked content is that it may be disliked for valid reasons, like low production quality or annoying elements like bad music etc...

I think that when it comes to engagement, Youtube should just police content fairly, apply countermeasures to prevent gaming the system, and allow valid/trusted user accounts to have merit in rating content. There is no easy answer ultimately.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#555

Post by Spivak » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

crackercrews wrote: post #431

This is like Amazon letting anyone review a product, but only showing you how many 5-star reviews there are. Completely useless.

The usefulness of data depends on its quality. If people are submitting lots of thoughtful 1-star reviews then yeah, it's a stupid move.

But if when you looked at 1-star reviews, and they were basically the junk ramblings of trolls then you might get a better signal of quality buy just ignoring them.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#556

Post by ajsnigrutin » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

prvc wrote: post #550

By referring to the act of disliking the video as an "attack", they are framing this change as one which protects users, when in fact, only a small minority post videos, and a smaller portion among them are bothered by dislikes. In fact, the change is user-hostile, removing one channel for users to see whether a video is of low quality (inaccurate description, containing false information, etc.), and improving advert…

Yep... but the most disliked videos are certain political ones, that youtube supports, and well... youtube rewind.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#557

Post by Minor49er » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

sergiotapia wrote: post #349

subsubzero wrote: post #55

This still seems like a huge disconnect to what people use youtube for vs. what google thinks it should be used for. Google wants youtube to be all network and brands making content. ie. a future version of what TV is now. What actual people want is creator made videos(diy/review/podcast videos and everything else that make youtube wonderful). This disconnect has been happening since google bought youtube and this re…

Abandon youtube, use Odysee and support web3 already. It's time to go back to a distributed web. https://odysee.com/

Odysee seems okay, but you need LBRY credits in order to do pretty much anything

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#558

Post by dukeofdoom » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

You can't down vote Chinese leaders, and North Korean leaders speeches in their countries. Why should you be able to do in the West. Thanks Youtube, we can't do it here either now. Youtube, making the world a better place, and less embarrassing to our great leaders.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#559

Post by wly_cdgr » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:50 PM UTC

I bet Google always keeps a few big but not particularly time-sensitive announcements like this in their back pocket so they can drop them as a distraction when some sizeable negative story about them breaks - say, when a $2.8B antritrust ruling goes against them (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29175511)

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#560

Post by cblconfederate » Wed, Nov 10, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

The more serious problem is when organized mobs , which may be politically motivated and even organized by oppressive states, use the report button to flag videos as inappropriate, which , as i understand, do not appear in recommendations and other listings. And youtube is very happy to remove those.