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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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CDC knowingly lied about masks, though. They knew internally they should be used to mitigate spread, but publicly discouraged their use. There was no new information. There were only lies.

That's because they were dealing with idiots, if you don't want to be treated like idiots, don't be idiots.

If you don’t want to be treated like a liar, don’t be a liar.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

Podcasts without RSS are not podcasts. Sure you can have several distribution methods, but if not one of them is RSS ...

> Podcasts without RSS are not podcasts

The rest of the world seems to think otherwise….

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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So basically you're saying "they lied but it's OK because it was a well-intentioned lie". That's what's making people lose trust in institutions.

> So basically you're saying "they lied but it's OK because it was a well-intentioned lie". That's not at all what GP said. Try re-reading it: >> health authorities told people not to use masks at first because ... Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. That is in no way lying.

I don't recall them saying 'hospitals need them more,' but rather 'masks have no proven effect' while people inside the CDC later admitted the concern was the first bit. I'm pretty sure that's a lie; while maybe they can argue about foment size effects etc. meant it technically wasn't a lie, I think we can all agree the public heard none of that nuance.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Says people who don’t watch joe rogan. Joe rogan has two kinds of guests: experts/scientists and show biz people. The former are why I watch the podcast. And I think it’s important because it gives a platform to people are being ignored by the mainstream. Take for example Paul Saladino. Watch that podcast and tell me it’s pseudo science. You can’t because he’s meticulously citing a paper and bringing up that paper to…

> Joe rogan has two kinds of guests: experts/scientists and show biz people. The former are why I watch the podcast. Many of us have tried to listen to Joe Rogan for the former category. When I catch an interview with someone I already know and respect (e.g. John Carmack), it's not bad. But Rogan is also notorious for bringing on over-confident "experts" who present their pet theories as done deal research. Saladino…

Yes, I knew he specializes in psychiatry. He went to the same medical school and took the same classes as any other kind of doctor.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

Yeah, that's about exactly when I stopped listening to him. Listening to him talk shop with other comedians was always entertaining. But "serious" Joe is a whackjob, yes-man, and meat-head.

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Google "food deserts". Some people have 3 jobs and depression: not much time for going to the gym and eating healthy. And do not be silly: healthy food is way more expensive per calory.

It's the calories that count for obesity, not the "healthiness". It's perfectly possible to maintain a healthy body weight eating chips and drinking soda. Time isn't a factor here, personal responsibility is.

Yes, I am on the same page that all you need is a bit of discipline (and some baseline amount of crucial nutrients not present in cheap calory sources). But we all have about the same "discipline reserve", and some have harder life circumstances that expend that reserve on more urgent things than lunch. And this snowballs after it happens once. But to be fair, I do not really know what is the percentage of "well-off cushy fat people without a modicum of health discipline" vs "money-poor and time-poor stressed depressed fat people". I do suspect the latter group is bigger, and just yapping about "personal responsibility" kinda misses the point in that case.

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I don't have Spotify, but check if The Who Sell Out is there since that has ads in it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Sell_Out

Pretty sure they used fake ads, but it’s a good precedent anyway. Edit: and yes the album is available on Spotify in full.

> Pretty sure they used fake ads, but it’s a good precedent anyway.

the ads aren't fake.. well, not all of them -- they're included ironically -- and many aspects of that album generated legal issues for the band.[0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Sell_Out

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

I think the model of giving away Joe Rogan to all users of Spotify (even if not paying subscribers) is worst of all worlds from a business POV. Think how many people still subscribe and pay over ten dollars a month to listen to Howard Stern. I subscribe to a few podcasts on patreon at $5 just for the few bonus episodes. And I have trouble believing the ad revenue Spotify gets for this is anywhere close to what paying…

In Joe Rogan's case, I doubt people would pay.

Then again, I haven't been able to understand his success.

I cringe when he calls himself a Comedian.

I cringe when he talks science. (Always felt someone should sit down with him and explain The Placebo Effect, and The Scientific Method, and what goes into a good Clinical study. I would be shocked if he ever even took Psy 101.)

Is it the upfront pot use that garners so many admirers?

He does know his MMA though.

I have enjoyed his interviews, but it's the guests I find interesting.

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