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Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by belorn » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 9:41 PM UTC

sebmellen wrote: post #428

belorn wrote: post #211

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Every thing that is used by the lower class to escape reality get stigmatized, and the more effective it is the more problematic society view it. The decline in alcohol addictions is often attributed to gaming, particularly among men. I also personally prefer people who are addicted to games over those addicted to alcohol, and long term it is much safer for everyone involved.

Color me skeptical. > [0] "Descriptive data showed no general decline in binge drinking across European countries. In contrast to our prediction, the association between binge drinking and computer gaming was not negative [b = 0.26, one-sided 95% confidence interval (−∞, 0.47), P = 0.98, Bayes Factor = 0.21]. We found the same pattern of result in a secondary analysis on six Nordic countries that have experienced dec…

Interesting. Maybe further studies are needed.

> [1] "Low-level gaming was positively associated with patterns of problematic alcohol use in the crude analyses; these associations became non-significant when controlling for demographic variables. High-level gaming was inversely associated with patterns of problematic alcohol use when controlling for demographics, personality, and mental health covariates."

[1]: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235285321...

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #534

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> and our contemporary society Rawlsianism. Uh, what? Since when is that the preferred moral philosophy in contemporary (presumably American?) society?

It's shorthand. Rawls is certainly compatible with whatever moral philosophy is prevalent throughout American media/legal discourse. Edit: The reason I chose Rawls is because no one will agree on what moral framework modern society operates under but Rawls is compatible with most such proposals. Edit 2: I am interested in what you would propose as an alternative, however.

> I am interested in what you would propose as an alternative, however.

I would, rather than suggest a candidate for the prevalent moral framework under which modern society operates, reject as fairly obviously false the notion that such a thing exists; modern society is characterized (even, say, in the US on isolation) by conflict between multiple competing mutually-incompatible moral frameworks, with temporarily dominant coalitions characterized by groups coming together against others that the see as a greater current threat than their current transitory partners.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by vlunkr » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

standardUser wrote: post #502

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This summarizes my opinion on OF. I'm not sure if it's unethical or predatory, but I'm quite sure that most people posting content there are going to regret it very soon.

Why are you "quite sure"? What are the consequences of having naked photos of yourself out there in the world that would cause most people to regret it?

See the parent comment for multiple examples. Combine that with the fact that most of them will not make a significant amount of money. And even if they hit that lottery, it's probably only going to pay out while they're still young.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by dalbasal » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

standardUser wrote: post #547

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Active struggle to get more people onto OF?

Active struggle to change restrictive norms.

There are more facets than restrictive/nonrestrictive. Culture is textured.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by golergka » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

thinkingemote wrote: post #539

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> Often people seem to be happy for other peoples children to do what they like but not theirs. To me this seems like the wrong attitude towards ones neighbours. That strikes me as odd. There are some areas of life that have competition on them. I accept the fact that there are "losers" in life, but I want my kids to be "winners". I love my kids more than I love others, and want better things for them — who wouldn't?…

Do you want your neighbors to be winners too?

If it's not a zero-sum game, sure. But there's plenty of different games in life, and humans are inherently social animals — even when we do not compare ourselves with others, others do. So, I don't want my neighbours to starve or die, but I do want my kids to be more successful than they are.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by stevenicr » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 10:09 PM UTC

akudha wrote: post #219

throwmeawaydddy wrote: post #33

Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…

I wonder if C is an unsolvable problem. There is some progress being made (revenge porn laws for example), but for the most part, law lags behind. Even if we had robust laws, I doubt law enforcement has the interest and resources to go after such "fans". If resources are stretched, they're gonna pick a murder case to solve than a digital stalker case. It would be more complicated if this so called fan happens to live…

I have seen this type of thing happen several times - and it often crosses international jurisdictions which makes it hard and slow.

I also believe there will/are people who will take over this kind of thing for a fee - like rather than running the low orbit pinger to cause damage which could be traced to you, you can pay someone in a another country 20 bucks to do it for you - claim the old, 'my phone was hacked' sucks for you game - hard to prove.

would be nice for facebook to detect when revenge pics are being shared to someone's fam/friends/work colleagues and stop the messages from going through / being seen.

But that's not going to stop emails being sent to employers / other places and such.

Having strong laws that are known may be a deterrent for some and that's great - but I don't think it's solvable - this kind of thing has been posted on hackforums/ewhoring scams / blackmail how-tos for a long time. And there will always be some crime group that'll send some emails for the cost of a subway card - and they'll update instructions for how to zip up files and bypass dns blocks and such to get the data they need to complete the task.

digital literacy about sharing pics with people who say they like you that later turn out not be the person you thought they were - things like that could help.

Teaching new 'performers' and others who want to share nudes for money that there will always be possibility that suck files are easily shared and can escape to others would be good too.

if you don't want others to see it or it to be shown in a court in public don't send it - internet, sms, etc.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by theshrike79 » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

mmdoda wrote: post #538

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Getting naked on camera vs killing people in foreign countries - I know which one I'd like my children to pick.

Getting abused by pimps vs protecting their mother country - I know which one I'd like my children to pick. Choosing the extreme version of one and the benign version of the other seems pretty handy.

There is a difference between a random eastern european camgirl and an OnlyFans account.

You can also close your OF account the second you don't want to do it. Try doing that with the military :)

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by autoexec » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 10:35 PM UTC

emptysongglass wrote: post #183

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> there are mental health costs that are often not talked about On the contrary, everyone is talking about mental costs, implying that they do not know what they are doing. I know a person who changed her work from being a cashier at a supermarket to a sex worker. Mentally, she benefited a lot. In one job, she felt like an automaton serving people. I other she had personal relationships with her clients. You can gues…

My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usual…

Most of the sex workers I've known personally started as strippers and for those who came away from it traumatized, the issues were mostly from either rape or drug addition.

Never being thanked never came up, but I suspect most people dealing with the public could relate to how shitty people can be. I wish we made a bigger deal about the mental health of folks working regular service/hospitality jobs and that companies made a better effort to protect their employees from rude customers and abuse.

Webcam stuff at least seems somewhat ideal in terms of safety and in reducing exposure to drugs. It also gives people the ability to instantly drop anyone making them uncomfortable or being obnoxious. I can't imagine most people going that route will have any lasting harm, especially as we move toward a society that wont judge and condemn men and women who do that kind of work. Right now, there are still risks to people when their employers or others in their lives find out they do sex work, but eventually I'd like to think that'll be a thing of the past.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by failwhaleshark » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 10:41 PM UTC

I'm sex-/sex-worker-/kink-positive, so I don't care what consenting adults do or do for work.

I know an OnlyFans creator in my apartments. She's a conceited, entitled, selfish, horrible human being who I turned-down a BJ from because I didn't know where her mouth has been (think herpes). She's not even hot but still makes a living at it, so that means there's enough of an audience of men for basically any woman. She spent $13k on plastic surgery and doesn't have anything to show for it... not my type. Her voice is raspy-wrecked from hard living drinking and smoking too much. She's like a really bad restaurant owner without a scalable business or an exit strategy.

I, OTOH, produce/edit/star as male hetero talent in unidentifiable, noncommercial content on PornHub for fun. I don't care what people do, but it's probably not a career without a personality, branding, exceptionally good genes, and a plastic surgeon. If it's your thing, go for it.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by feudalism » Tue, Jul 20, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

emptysongglass wrote: post #183

stared wrote: post #160

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> there are mental health costs that are often not talked about On the contrary, everyone is talking about mental costs, implying that they do not know what they are doing. I know a person who changed her work from being a cashier at a supermarket to a sex worker. Mentally, she benefited a lot. In one job, she felt like an automaton serving people. I other she had personal relationships with her clients. You can gues…

My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usual…

> My wife who is a sex worker

Jesus...

> She's started keeping a list of clients who say thank you. Almost none.

Honestly don't get this. As if she expects sex work to be a dignified occupation?

> The far left has really hijacked the discourse around sex work and used language of empowerment to encourage young girls to get in and get what's theirs.

Yes certainly that. Not to mention that whorish behavior is being glorified by the media a la mainstream music. Young women are being manipulated into thinking that's what empowerment looks like and it's very saddening.