So that Israel can draw its own borders without the criticism of 'international treaties' or 'human rights'
Israel gets criticized every day, and often at the UN. Most of it is unfair criticism.
Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
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Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#552Earlier quoted context omitted.
We don't have any evidence. We do know that Israel has launched 1000 to 1500 missiles up until 10 pm pacific time. Netanyahu has been blatant over taking back "theiir" land lately. Netanyahu is in a very close political race. I won't say what I thinking though out of respect for the rules.
They launched missiles in response to the thousand rockets that terrorist Hamas launched against their civilians. Don't be posting such a biased, one-sided story.
Which happened in response to waht? Don't be posting such a biased, one-sided story.
Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#553Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did I blame the Palestinian people? The fact is that they do not have a functioning government, and the government they have is not in a position to negotiate on their behalf when it comes to Gaza. The faction that controls Gaza is not even recognized as legitimate by the PA (which is supposed to represent the Palestinian people).
You appear, and i could of course be mistaken, to be blaming the palestinian people for "the failure to establish a functional Palestinian state or government". As if it the fault of a population that's mostly under 30 years old that they haven't been able to establish a government under the existing conditions. I'm not sure anyone else could.
That was a statement of fact, I was not blaming anyone in particular. As I have said elsewhere, if anyone is to blame it would be Hamas, whose political campaign in 2006 was based on delegitimizing the peace process and two-state solution and which pressed a war with Fatah that greatly weakened the PA. It is not as if the Palestinians were told to build a functioning state on their own; they receive a lot of help from other countries, including from Israel itself (e.g. joint police operations, joint security patrols, etc. -- all of which are confidence-building and institution-building measures).
Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#554Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you explain why I am misusing the phrase? I believe it to be objectively accurate. Again, that phrasing might make people uncomfortable. as I wrote above. I understand that, and I understand why people desire to censor it. But I don't believe it's incorrect, which is another thing entitely.
I'd like to think I would have resisted responding, but I see another response that doesn't answer your question, so, oh well- The dictionary seems to use "murder" for premeditated killing. Even if you think Israelis are the devil incarnate, killing children doesn't serve their interests. You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die, and then turn around and…
> You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die
Not really: it's well-reported that Israeli policy reasons about Arabs primarily in demographic terms. A stated Israeli priority is to keep low the number of Arabs in its territory. It's not even a secret.
You might find this so abhorrent and morally indefensible to be unlikely, but really it's just another day in the Middle East.
Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#555Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is that supposed to be some kind of excuse for derailing the peace process? Are you actually denying that progress toward a two-state solution happened between the Oslo Accords in 1993 and Hamas taking power in 2006? Like it or not the government of Israel and the PLO made a good-faith effort to establish a legitimate Palestinian state. It is not an easy task, the solution is not simple and there are a lot of legitim…
The median age in palestine is (was, 2014) 18 years old. Compare to 30 in israel or 40 in france. Like it or not the vast majority of palestinians alive today had nothing to do with what hamas did 15 years ago. They were mostly children or not even born yet.
What does that have to do with the fact that Hamas derailed the peace process and continues to be the most significant obstacle to peace?
Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#556Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m curious how Palestinian people live. I’d like to see the condition of their dwellings, infrastructure and resources eg water, roads, rail, ports, public spaces. I just want to get a feel for the place, like I can almost everywhere else. How can I do that?
Come and visit. As far as I understand, foreigners do not have much trouble visiting the West Bank.
Not much trouble slipping into Palestine for a foreigner, but you do get interrogated on your way out of Israel right at the airport and if you say you went to the occupied territories you may get sent to the little room for further questioning, search or seizure of your belongings, notebooks, laptop, phone, etc. You might also get put on a list for secondary screening or outright ban if you want to go back. So think it though if you want to go to Palestine -- it is indeed considered a theatre of military operations by the occupying power
Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#557Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd like to think I would have resisted responding, but I see another response that doesn't answer your question, so, oh well- The dictionary seems to use "murder" for premeditated killing. Even if you think Israelis are the devil incarnate, killing children doesn't serve their interests. You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die, and then turn around and…
> You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die Not really: it's well-reported that Israeli policy reasons about Arabs primarily in demographic terms. A stated Israeli priority is to keep low the number of Arabs in its territory. It's not even a secret. You might find this so abhorrent and morally indefensible to be unlikely, but really it's just another day i…
You are arguing that bombs killing less than 0.02% of Palestinian children is going to solve Israel's demographic problem and Israel would like to do that despite all the abuse they will receive from the rest of the world for doing so? Like, fine, assume absolute evil, why not, but evil and stupid simultaneously? Hence "conspiracy territory".
Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#558Earlier quoted context omitted.
Jews and Israeli are distinct. Maybe diaspora is incorrect word, but those who call Israel their home country and reside in the US are of the diaspora of Israel. Google has headquarters in many countries including Israel. They use various Sources to create maps. And some happen to show Palestine as a separate country. Using one source over another is not a politicized move. But since the recognition of Palestine is r…
>Jews and Israeli are distinct. Maybe diaspora is incorrect word, but those who call Israel their home country and reside in the US are of the diaspora of Israel. There are something like 100k Israelis is the US. They have virtually no political power. If you want to say "Jewish Diaspora" say "Jewish Diaspora". It really seems like you are using "Israeli Diaspora" in order to avoid accusations of anti-Semitism. My co…
This actually leads me to wonder why US Evangelicals are so utterly pro-Israel. Christians have a long history of discriminating against Jews, but surely this modern development is not about over-compensating for that...? Is it just a "the enemy of my (Arab) enemy, is my friend"...?
I don't find particularly puzzling that the US, as a whole, might have pro-Israel policies for historic and strategic reasons; however, the intensity of sentiment, particularly on the Christian right, still baffles me.
Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#559tl;dr: Because Israel wants this, and the US has forced that wish on commercial companies like Google.
> US has forced that wish on commercial companies like Google Not necessarily. Google has R&D in Israel[1]. Sergey Brin and Larry Page are both Jewish. Not that all Jews support Israel, but typically the case. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinational_companie...
The regulation applies not only to Google; plus, your reservation seems to regard the linked article - I was just trying to extract the essence of its answer to the question.
Re: Why is the Gaza Strip blurry on Google Maps?
#560Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You have to go pretty far into conspiracy territory to believe they secretly want those children to die Not really: it's well-reported that Israeli policy reasons about Arabs primarily in demographic terms. A stated Israeli priority is to keep low the number of Arabs in its territory. It's not even a secret. You might find this so abhorrent and morally indefensible to be unlikely, but really it's just another day i…
You are arguing that bombs killing less than 0.02% of Palestinian children is going to solve Israel's demographic problem and Israel would like to do that despite all the abuse they will receive from the rest of the world for doing so? Like, fine, assume absolute evil, why not, but evil and stupid simultaneously? Hence "conspiracy territory".
> You are arguing that bombs killing less than 0.02% of Palestinian children is going to solve Israel's demographic problem
No I'm not, I'm just pointing out that this sort of attitude is obviously a natural result of their stated intent.
> evil and stupid simultaneously?
Stupid is a given, considering Occam. Asymmetrical warfare in general has been "propaganda-stupid" ever since Jewish tradition popularized David and Goliath. Yet armies still routinely engage in it, because propaganda is only one dimension of a conflict. Being stupid, however, doesn't exclude being anything else.