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Why is it the only remedy that we seem capable of considering is exclusion? Pushing people and ideas away is a punishment that hurts both sides and offers little chance of redemption or learning.

Is exclusion even a remedy? And if it is, aren't there almost always better ones? I grew up pretty conservative, but the liberals I knew were always very welcoming. And I have a much more balanced outlook now. How will that kind of personal growth happen if our first reaction is to exclude?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a power-hungry person can have the pleasure of telling 1000 other people what to say, and financially obliterate those who don't comply > Some people are more power-hungry than others True. Also, some people are more violent than others, but we try to keep those away from the rest of the population and gradually titrate them out of the gene pool. I would love to live in a society that treated insatiable thirst for…

In reality, if you try doing that, the movement will get spearheaded by a small group of cronies that will use it as an excuse to get rid of competition. I bet you can't be very power-hungry in North Korea unless you are a part of the ruling family.

Perhaps.

Before civilization, it used to be that the most violent person in the group could simply take whatever they wanted. At some point we managed to "civilize violence" by creating a special caste -- police officers -- whose career is the use of violence in a controlled way, to prevent the violent from having whatever they want. Although the police abuse this "violence license" they haven't managed to subvert it into supreme dictatorial power. The fact that almost everybody knows what the phrase "police state" means, and that it's a bad thing, is probably part of this.

I imagine there is some similar recursive trick with power-thirst, getting the political schemers to spend their lives chasing each other instead of the rest of us, the way the DEA spend their lives chasing drug lords but never make any real progress. Note that the drug lords are generally pretty happy that the DEA exist, or else their trade would not be nearly so lucrative. And the DEA are happy that the drug lords exist, or else they'd be out of a job.

It might take us a few more millenia to acquire the vocabulary needed to describe the recursive trick, let alone discover it.

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What bothers me is the speed with which this process - "accused -> convinced -> executed" happens. We are not discussing things anymore. Today, you could tweet any accusations, and, no matter how ridiculous they look at first, it will lead to a race of who is taking them most seriously. Something definitely is broken. Look at what happened to the "okay". 4chan forced that meme 5 years ago in what they thought is a mi…

It's 6 of Dr. Seuss's books, and ones that most people haven't heard of. If you actually look at the content of the books, they are clearly racist and demeaning to those they make caricatures of. And in any case, it was not a sudden "canceling" or anything approaching that. Seuss's estate, managed by his family, made the decision after much deliberation to cease the publication of only six books due to the content. Y…

I quickly read through Mulberry Street a few minutes ago, and there is a depiction of a Chinese man "eating with sticks." He is wearing sandals, a straw hat, a robe, and holding chop sticks. His facial features are not exaggerated or like a caricature in any way. To me, it's clearly a mistake.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a little confused. Are you actually referring to the word "okay"? What is CNL?

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-h... > In 2017, the “okay” hand gesture acquired a new and different significance thanks to a hoax by members of the website 4chan to falsely promote the gesture as a hate symbol, claiming that the gesture represented the letters “wp,” for “white power.” The “okay” gesture hoax was merely the latest in a series of similar 4chan hoaxes using various innocuous…

Where I grew up, that okay gesture was used to insult someone, meaning he is an asshole. So it rated quite high on the offensive scale.

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My work sent out a memo today regarding what pronouns I'm allowed to use. We're in the middle of a cultural revolution, and the current trend seems to be for rapid acceleration rather than moderation.

Wars over, the ultra-left won via social network and Internet. They will ban more stuff. You ever heard of good people banning books and banning words? It is mostly dictators doing that.

Legitimate question for liberals of the freedom-and-mild-socialism variety: what do you think about this? Do you find that the current leftists in control of government and media are liberal like you?

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My work sent out a memo today regarding what pronouns I'm allowed to use. We're in the middle of a cultural revolution, and the current trend seems to be for rapid acceleration rather than moderation.

The company I work for did something similar at the end of last year. We had consultants who went over everything, and made a massive document of all sorts of things they deemed "problematic". Along with a week long of seminars/training/workshops on sensitivity/inclusion/etc. - Everyone had to list what pronouns they wanted people to use. In slack / our email footers everything. This was not optional. We were also to…

> Everyone had to list what pronouns they wanted people to use

I’ll be glad to demonstrate my knowledge of Unicode, Sumerian and Chữ Nôm in my signature and be OFFENDED by any "woke" idiot who get it wrong. Bonus point if the fault lies in fact in software the company uses.

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I was wondering if Americans learned history of other countries in school. HN users or Americans in general probably think China is a totalitarian country, but even Chinese students are taught in both elementary and high schools, repeatedly, that an authoritarian regime always started with moralizing everything, always started with telling its citizens to hate their neighbors, and always told their citizens that misi…

> ...always told their citizens that misinformation and disinformation was evil.

While I get your point, intentional misinformation and disinformation is evil.

OTOH for the most part, when my neighbors spread disinformation, they are not doing it intentionally, so my neighbors aren't evil. It's often by glossing over subtleties like this that those in power divide those they would rule; there are some communists who would like to overthrow the government; all communists are socialists; therefore anyone who ever professes a socialist view wants to overthrow the government.

> an authoritarian regime always started with moralizing everything, always started with telling its citizens to hate their neighbors

Authoritarian regimes start with telling citizens to hate their neighbors; moralizing is just one of the more convenient ways to to accomplish this. The anti-Jewish rhetoric in Nazi Germany definitely had a moralizing component (particularly ascribing the vice of greed), but it also spared no opportunity to portray them as inferior while simultaneously playing on envy.

Actually HUAC and Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda point to another important commonality: those to be attacked were "Un-American" or "Un-German." I'm more concerned with the degree to which both the right and left attempt to de-legitimize the other side than I am about ebay choosing which books they stock.

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I was wondering if Americans learned history of other countries in school. HN users or Americans in general probably think China is a totalitarian country, but even Chinese students are taught in both elementary and high schools, repeatedly, that an authoritarian regime always started with moralizing everything, always started with telling its citizens to hate their neighbors, and always told their citizens that misi…

The critical race stuff is getting more and more sinister and anti-white. https://www.unz.com/article/review-of-robin-diangelos-white-...

Wait, I think Robin DiAngelo and her work are hot garbage... but an Unz link was your choice to cite?

It veers into talking about Jewish conspiracies on sentence 1.

Is this a troll?

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